I'm not saying it's not important to know who starred in an episode...what I'm saying is that we need to decide on how to deal with what's on the screen.

We can't expect people to visually verify the presence of everyone appearing in an episode - therefore, we have to decide on where to take the information from the dvd credits....and how to phrase the rules so there is no misunderstanding.

With Bewitched, I decided to visually check for Agnes Moorehead ONLY after getting NO votes. This is not something I would have done normally (or want to do again).
I only did it to reinforce my argument that the END credits of that show were the more accurate.

Hope that explains where I'm coming from.

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I think people need to look at the purpose of entering this information. It is so we can get accurate information about the contents of a dvd - including the cast. So we can see all the episodes that someone appeared in. If we just wanted the text regardless of its accuracy then can DVd profiler be changed so instead of entering the cast as individuals we just enter a screen print. This would give absolute accuracy and zero usability.

If that is truly what you want, then none of the options are correct.

There are tons of examples where main cast only appear in the opening credits and not in the end credits, which would mean under the definitions in this poll that both would be included, and yet not all of the main cast actually appear in every episode in which they are credited.

To do what you are suggesting will require the main cast in the opening credits to be visually verified in every episode.

Personally, I'm not going to do that.  Entering cast is an onerous enough task as it is, especially for TV series.

Perhaps a tag of some sort (like 'voice') can be implemented to identify 'non-appearing' main cast that are credited in the opening credits but who don't actually appear.

The producers felt that they deserved a credit.  They in fact have a credit in the show.  Our current instructions are to enter cast as they are credited...not as they appear!

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If that is truly what you want, then none of the options are correct.

There are tons of examples where main cast only appear in the opening credits and not in the end credits, which would mean under the definitions in this poll that both would be included, and yet not all of the main cast actually appear in every episode in which they are credited.

To do what you are suggesting will require the main cast in the opening credits to be visually verified in every episode.

Except that in the Bewitched example, only the actress who didn't appear in the episode was excluded from the end credits.  That's not the situation with most current TV series where the principal cast are ONLY listed in the opening credits.

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I like this idea.  Seems to me it would satisfy both sides in this discussion.  Even if it does sound a bit IMDb-like.

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The producers felt that they deserved a credit.  They in fact have a credit in the show.  Our current instructions are to enter cast as they are credited...not as they appear!
The producers also must have felt a need to exclude someone from the end credits and repeat only the others from the opening credits who actually appeared in that episode.

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I think people need to look at the purpose of entering this information. It is so we can get accurate information about the contents of a dvd - including the cast. So we can see all the episodes that someone appeared in. If we just wanted the text regardless of its accuracy then can DVd profiler be changed so instead of entering the cast as individuals we just enter a screen print. This would give absolute accuracy and zero usability.

If that is truly what you want, then none of the options are correct.

There are tons of examples where main cast only appear in the opening credits and not in the end credits, which would mean under the definitions in this poll that both would be included, and yet not all of the main cast actually appear in every episode in which they are credited.

To do what you are suggesting will require the main cast in the opening credits to be visually verified in every episode.

Personally, I'm not going to do that.  Entering cast is an onerous enough task as it is, especially for TV series.

Perhaps a tag of some sort (like 'voice') can be implemented to identify 'non-appearing' main cast that are credited in the opening credits but who don't actually appear.

The problem is that we couldn't enter a tag like you suggest - since that will require the main cast in the opening credits to be visually identified in every episode. Which you also say (quite reasonably) that we shouldn't do.

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The producers felt that they deserved a credit.  They in fact have a credit in the show.  Our current instructions are to enter cast as they are credited...not as they appear!

My point was just that where it was clear that they didn't appear - because cast appeared in both the front and end credits i.e. where main cast did appear in both then we should make it clear that we should just use the end credits.

Where they didn't appear in both then we include both cast lists.

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I agree with you Hal... and have suggested a couple time for a Credits Only tag like Uncredited. I think it would be the best solution... as  we will keep the credits intact as the are... and know when someone does not appear in an episode.

how could you know when to use a 'Credit only Tag'?

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Except that in the Bewitched example, only the actress who didn't appear in the episode was excluded from the end credits.  That's not the situation with most current TV series where the principal cast are ONLY listed in the opening credits.

I'm not talking about 'Bewitched'.  Paul said we should only credit people who actually appeared in the episode.  There was no qualification about how the credits appeared.  That's what I responded to.

Thanks for clarifying.