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Quoting hal9g:

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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What I am saying is he is credited as himself... that is why I see it as being...

    Name                                Role
    actor name                    Role actor plays
    actor name                    Role actor plays
    actor name                    Role actor plays
    Craig Kilborn (Himself)      Craig Kilborn
    actor name                    Role actor plays
    actor name                    Role actor plays
    actor name                    Role actor plays

I never once claimed himself is his name. I just take the info I see and use it as I read the rules... no more no less. And as I said before if ken wants to either put an exception for this situation in the rules or make note here to allow switching the name and role then I am all for it... but till then I have to vote and contribute per how I read the rules and and the info I see in the cast list.

If you want to put "Himself" in the name field, then you are claiming that "Himself" is his name.

No.... Himself is in the Credited As Field... not in the name field.

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No.... Himself is in the Credited As Field... not in the name field.

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A few thoughts:

"Himself" is a pronoun indicating that the role and the person are the same. "Himself" is not a name. The rule calls for a name to be input in Credited As. (eg. "Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.")


When an actor is credited sometimes as John Q. Smith and other times as John Smith, all of their entries cannot be properly linked if they are credited as "Himself" using their less common name.

Another example:

Common Name: John Q. Smith (most frequently credited name)
Credited As: John Smith
Role: Himself

If the above is entered as John Q. Smith [John Smith] as Himself, all functionality of the program and Credit Lookup Tool is retained. If you enter this as John Q. Smith [Himself] as John Smith, you have lost accuracy in the Credit Lookup Tool to identify an occurrence of a John Smith credit.

Since roles are usually on the left and actor names are on the right, placing the "Himself" on the right is merely an indication that the actor name is the same as the role name.  "Himself" can't appear on the left side of the credits because when read left to right, there is no object to which "Himself" can refer when it is listed on the left. When "Himself" is listed on the right, it references the name shown on the left. (grammar example: "John himself went to the store." cannot be written as "Himself John went to the store.")

The fact that other names in a cast list are on the same side as "Himself" is irrelevant in determining a name for an actor credited as "Himself". If a cast list switched the order of names and roles in different sections of a cast list, I would hope that we wouldn't see that as cause to list the roles as names and the names as roles for some of the credits. Each line must be analyzed separately.

Please let us not muck up the Credit Lookup tool with data it is not able to properly analyze.