Quoting skipnet50:

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Why...because I do not bow at the altar of culture, the culture is the data and the data ONLY.

Data has no culture and data is no culture. The culture is how to handle the data. And there is no altar of culture to bow at, there is a way of handling names and that shows the culture of the user.

And there is a necessarity to define, is the first name the given name or not. We need it for the common name. And we need a definition is it Chow/Yun/Fat or Chow//Yun Fat.

And what about generating an alphabetical list of names? Chow Yun Fat can appear after the "B", after the "X" and after the "E". Correct would be after the "B". And should we write Yun Fat or Yun-Fat (for the common name).

It's useless to discuss this again and again and again, we need a clear rule for dealing with names written surname name/given name. And it's not a problem with asian names only, the Hungarians write their names this way also (and yes, they are making movies released internationally on DVD with hungarian credits).

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Quoting EnryWiki:

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Last Name is a synonym  of Family Name.

I agree!

I believe that's what most people mean by "Last Name".

Quoting Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name

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A family name or last name is a type of surname and part of a person's name indicating the family to which the person belongs. The use of family names is widespread in cultures around the world. Each culture has its own rules as to how these names are applied and used.

In many cultures (notably most European, North American, and South American countries) the family name is typically the last part of a person's name. In some other cultures, the family name comes first. The latter is often called the Eastern order because Europeans are most familiar with the examples of China, Vietnam, Japan and Korea. Because the family name is normally given last in English-speaking societies, the term last name is commonly used for family name.
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I do not understand what the problem is. A last name is a synonym for family name and therefore eastern names should be reversibly parsed.

Again, Martin that is your assumption, which has no basis in the reality of what was trying to be achieved. I have given the answer for those willing to see it, for THREE years, ever since this topic was first brought up. It has not changed in those THREE years and it won't change. We know have an alias system that allows for your assumption, but your assumption and everyone else's relative to Credited As is wrong and always has been.

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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:

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I do not understand what the problem is. A last name is a synonym for family name and therefore eastern names should be reversibly parsed.

Because that is only the case in ENGLISH these are not English names. English names get translated into Chinese. It's complicated as there is no alphabet as such BUT they do not reverse the names to give Family name first. Considering there are far more people who speak Chinese than English it seems to make no sense at all to transpose the majority to the whim of the minority.
If asked

Ni Jiao Shen Ma Ming Zi. I would not give my Famliy name and no one would expect me to. If you ask a Chinese person for their first name what do you think they will reply? Try telling a Native American the dictionary says they are Indians.

Quoting skipnet50:

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(...) So I suggest you stop trying to come up with your various rationales, because noine of them are correct .

Especially Rho.

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Can you explain to me which of the two statements that I have made in this thread is not correct an why?

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No, we would list him as "John//Wayne" credited as "Wayne John" in order to make linking work.

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Last Name is a synonym  of Family Name.

I agree!

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Profiler was written in America by an American.  I have a hard time believing that he used those words to mean anything other than what they normally mean.

Exactly. I think it just didn't occur to Ken when he wrote the program that names could be written any other way. And for people to keep going on about the rules is irrelevant. This is more a question about the design of the database and how we try and fit info in when it doesn't conform to a Western standard.
Using Chow Yun Fat as an example.
Most people would assume his name should be parsed Chow/Yun/Fat or Chow//Yun Fat. But the problem with that is that he would end up being sorted under the F or Y names, and that is wrong. His family name is Chow so he should be listed under the Cs.
The debate is how to achieve this. Do we parse his name Yun Fat//Chow or should we find some other alternative?
To be honest, this problem isn't going to go away until an update is made to the software that allows this difference in parsing to be dealt with. Maybe Ken, or any other users who have more of an idea how the Invelos database works, can give us an idea of what could be done that would allow this.

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I can't and won't speak for ken and what he was thinking about the Program. I can speak to the other areas involved. the deisner of the Rules is both highly educated and extremely well-informed vis-a-vis naming conventions . He has provided the answer for you, it easy to understand. If you don't like it my only response is...too bad. The answer was arrived afdter much consideration and debate on all the various aspects including the Far Eastern conventions. Now that we have an alias system this should not even be a question, yet I continue to see whining and great gnashing of teeth....get over it. The answer is in your hands and it lies within the alias system.

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