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That is something that shouldn't fall on us that do not use the lists in the parent profile... it should fall on the people that actually do use the lists in the parent profile.

I can see this argument when updating existing profiles. But it would at least be nice (if this isn't already done) that when someone who collects the credits for all episodes, he/she at least puts them in the parent profile. There anybody will see them even when not using child profiles. Otherwise someone (like me) who only uses parent profiles and collects the data for the whole season will not do work again someone else probably already did for the child profiles.

I actually do this and find it doesn't take that much time.  Once I am done with the individual disc profiles, I copy and paste each one into notepad, then copy and paste the entire thing into the parent profile and upload it.  Once I am done, I delete them all from the parent.

While it doesn't take a lot of time, it is extra time, so I only do this once.  I make it clear in my contribution notes that, if the profile isn't accepted I will not be resubmitting because I don't keep mine that way.

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That is something that shouldn't fall on us that do not use the lists in the parent profile... it should fall on the people that actually do use the lists in the parent profile.

I can see this argument when updating existing profiles. But it would at least be nice (if this isn't already done) that when someone who collects the credits for all episodes, he/she at least puts them in the parent profile. There anybody will see them even when not using child profiles. Otherwise someone (like me) who only uses parent profiles and collects the data for the whole season will not do work again someone else probably already did for the child profiles.
For example I can guess that Skip has done his share of season cast/crew data on disc level (if his contribution quota to my TV cast & crew project before we had the episode dividers is any indication). But I have never seen any of his data because I do not use the child profiles (and I cannot download hundreds of child profiles on a regular basis just to see if there has been any update to them). So it would be nice, if the original contributor or someone else also put the data in the parent profile. After his/hers first upload of this data, he/she needn't to leave the data in his/hers local profile but it least everybody profits from the collected data.

I agree it would be nice... but I have seen people say (not meaning you personally) that where the rules say The info belongs in both child and parent profiles that we had to put it in the parent profile when we do the child profiles. And I just wanted to say publicly that this isn't the case at all. There is no rule that says the same person that does a child profile must also do the parent profile.

I seldomly do parent profile when I do the child profiles (and for the record don't go by your cast/crew project on Skip... I seldomly see him do any contributions for TV Series... and I always use child profiles when available)...I do not update the parent profile because I do not find it as easy to combine them in notepad as others do... and I would use your cast/crew editor but for some reason I just can't get that to work at all... I used to be able to use it... but then once I had to reformat windows it hasn't worked since.

but even if I did get it to work again... like Unicus said...

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While it doesn't take a lot of time, it is extra time, so I only do this once.  I make it clear in my contribution notes that, if the profile isn't accepted I will not be resubmitting because I don't keep mine that way.

it would be a one time only thing... once the original submission is in it is either excepted or it isn't... once I deleted it from the parent profile I woul;d do it a second time.

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Anway, I have resubmitted the profiles without the Cast list which now means that someone else is going to have to audit all those cast lists. Idiocy!

So you do wish to erase your already contributed data? or did i misunderstood what your are saying?

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I do the same thing you do pete.

Which is fine, of course.

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I still don't comprehend why soembody wants 20, 30, 40 or even more cast/crew datasets attached to the parent....too me it is an idea born of lunacy. and I will always vote neutral to such setups, they don't even get a second look.

I just don't get why you repeatedly keep posting demeaning remarks about people who choose to handle these sets differently. All polls on the subject have shown that the majority of the users don't use child profiles for TV sets. Heck, even Ken has stated that he doesn't use them. If I contribute a change to both a parent and a few child profiles of the same TV-set, I get about ten to twenty (!) times as many votes on the parent than I get on the children. Once again: it's fine if you want to use child profiles for TV sets, but I don't see any reason for your continued negative remarks about those that don't. The rules simply allow for both methods - why would you feel the need to keep declaring your method the only logical one, and all others as "lunacy"? Do the 90% of DVD Profiler users that don't use child profiles keep declaring your method as "lunacy" every time it comes up? No, you seem to be the only one who does that, while there's absolutely no need: Ken arranged it so we can have it both ways. There's nothing to be gained by keeping this discussion of what is the "better" method going.

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I made no disparaging remarks directed at anybody, or am I not even allowed to voice what i think any longer. Trust me, my friend, I did not even come close to expressing my feelings towards the concept of parent profiles stuffed with so much Cast and Crew data as to be unmanageable and useless. Your remark does very lttle to help me to understand, why the parent system is preferable to the child. I have in fact seen nothing that changes that opinion, it is certainly not something thatserves any rational function that I can find and I have tried, Tim. Me thinks you need to harden your skin a tad, as I said I made no disparaging comments directed at anyONE, but the concept remains one that make no logical sense.

I believe I am entitled to my opinion and the mess that I believe the parent system also brings to the database. I can't find anything around here that dictates what I can of can't talk about or voice an opinon of.

I tend to agree with you final comment, which leads me to inquire, was the rest of your post intended to flame-baiting.

I have to stop I am only getting angry. Pompous comes to mind.

Skip

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But that is not the case northbroke... Invelos defined standard credits in the rules where all credited actors is in the end credits in one section. Since she is credited in the opening credits and not in the end credits they therefore can not be standard credits.

Not quite. Invelos define standard credits where all credited actors involved are listed. As Agnes Moorhead wasn't involved in that episode, all involved actors are credited at the end and so they can be classed as standard credits.

Then why was it necessary to say anything at all, Tim. I have said that I do not see a single solitary rational and logical reason behind the parent system. You have one gigantic blob of data with very little definition.<shrugs> But that's your problem not mine, I like data to be more clearly defined as to where it can be found. Not just a formless lump of information, bit i do Keep trying to understand.

BTW, Tim, let me point out one more thing. The comments I made were aimed the concept, but YOU made the decision to launch personal attacks. Like I said I have the right to express muy opinion, you don't have the right to launch personal attacks.

Skip

You all sound like a bunch of lawyers chewing every single word.