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Taxi 4 how to match the title with the front cover? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Hmm, but what about the series "Numb3rs"? This should we similar to T4Xi? 
I have no idea about "Numbers". But I know it is "Seven" and "Layer Cake".
No, it's "Se7en".
Not necessarily!  Uh OK, you got me again pal. You really are on a roll today...  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | The title of THIS release should be 'T4xi' with original title 'Taxi 4'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disagree, for the same reason I'd disagree with "Se7en", "L4YER CAK3" and "S1m0ne": if entered like that, the titles do not show if a standard title search is conducted, so a lot of users might not be able to find those titles. | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
I disagree, for the same reason I'd disagree with "Se7en", "L4YER CAK3" and "S1m0ne": if entered like that, the titles do not show if a standard title search is conducted, so a lot of users might not be able to find those titles. While I understand what you are saying, I don't think the rules make that distinction.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think studios, art and public relations departments read these forums...and then see what chaos they can cause!   |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Kathy I really think they do @Unicus Just to make it a bit clearer, by taking what you're proposing to another extreme: There is a Limited Edition release of the last Manowar CD that comes with a bonus DVD. It's perfectly within the rules to enter said DVD into the db. Problem is, the band decided to spell the title, the lyrics, apparently EVERYTHING written in the booklet in nordic runes, something you can't reproduce on the keyboard of your PC. I don't think you'd argue to leave the title field completely empty because you can't type what's written on the cover, do you? It's (correctly) entered as "Gods of War" under UPC 693723-018829. And what would you do with Asian films that have their titles printed in Asian scripture on the cover without western alphabetized subtitles? We're translating those titles as well, either to their English title or the romaized phonetic version of the Asian title. The title field is not meant for the display of the mindfarts of some guys from a distributor's art department. It's for enterin the title the movie on the DVD is known by to make finding and recognizing it possible. The preservation of the graphic design of the package is something that should be kept locally. | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are mixing apples and oranges. In all of your examples, due to program limitations, the text on the cover can not be entered. In this case, 'T4xi' can be entered. Since it can, per the rules, it must be entered that way.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand what you are saying. But my understanding doesn't change what the rules say to do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
I disagree, for the same reason I'd disagree with "Se7en", "L4YER CAK3" and "S1m0ne": if entered like that, the titles do not show if a standard title search is conducted, so a lot of users might not be able to find those titles. Wrong, the search option searches both the title and original title fields. so "t4xi" would show up aswell as "taxi 4" | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
@Kathy
I really think they do
@Unicus
Just to make it a bit clearer, by taking what you're proposing to another extreme:
There is a Limited Edition release of the last Manowar CD that comes with a bonus DVD. It's perfectly within the rules to enter said DVD into the db.
Problem is, the band decided to spell the title, the lyrics, apparently EVERYTHING written in the booklet in nordic runes, something you can't reproduce on the keyboard of your PC. I don't think you'd argue to leave the title field completely empty because you can't type what's written on the cover, do you? It's (correctly) entered as "Gods of War" under UPC 693723-018829.
And what would you do with Asian films that have their titles printed in Asian scripture on the cover without western alphabetized subtitles? We're translating those titles as well, either to their English title or the romaized phonetic version of the Asian title.
The title field is not meant for the display of the mindfarts of some guys from a distributor's art department. It's for enterin the title the movie on the DVD is known by to make finding and recognizing it possible.
The preservation of the graphic design of the package is something that should be kept locally. I catch your drift (and also agree with you mostly for that matter), Darxon but I think there is a distinction between symbols and foreign language letters. The latter can be translated to the DVD's locality language whereas symbols can't. A title like "@frikan L0ve" would in that respect differ from a title in nordic runes and the latter could therefore contain the exact translation of those nordic runes (if such a thing can be done ). | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 252 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Wrong, the search option searches both the title and original title fields. so "t4xi" would show up aswell as "taxi 4" Except that... it doesn't and can't  ; the Original Title field isn't included in the local copy of the master database for "Add By..." use. It currently only contains: Format (DVD/HD/BD), Region, Title/Edition, Production Year, Locality, Release Date, and UPC/EAN/DiscID. It is a oft requested feature, but not available in the current version - the addition of which would most likely solve many of these sorts of issues. (tho the OnlineList file would enlarge a bit... more of a nuisance for those on dial-up upon having to download the entire thing on a new install (the current is just short of 18MB.)) | | | | Last edited: by Cyclograph |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Wrong, the search option searches both the title and original title fields. so "t4xi" would show up aswell as "taxi 4" I know it does in the local search, but also in the Add By Title window? | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Quoting Darxon:
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I disagree, for the same reason I'd disagree with "Se7en", "L4YER CAK3" and "S1m0ne": if entered like that, the titles do not show if a standard title search is conducted, so a lot of users might not be able to find those titles.
Wrong, the search option searches both the title and original title fields. so "t4xi" would show up aswell as "taxi 4" I guess Darxon meant the search in the "Add by title" window. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You are mixing apples and oranges. In all of your examples, due to program limitations, the text on the cover can not be entered. In this case, 'T4xi' can be entered. Since it can, per the rules, it must be entered that way.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand what you are saying. But my understanding doesn't change what the rules say to do. But I can't see the text 'T4xi' on the cover at all. All I can see is a graphical arangement of letters forming a kind of logo with the letters 'T', 'X', 'i', and the digit '4'. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting RaymondG:
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Quoting Darxon:
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I disagree, for the same reason I'd disagree with "Se7en", "L4YER CAK3" and "S1m0ne": if entered like that, the titles do not show if a standard title search is conducted, so a lot of users might not be able to find those titles.
Wrong, the search option searches both the title and original title fields. so "t4xi" would show up aswell as "taxi 4"
I guess Darxon meant the search in the "Add by title" window. Yes, indeed I did. | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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You are mixing apples and oranges. In all of your examples, due to program limitations, the text on the cover can not be entered. In this case, 'T4xi' can be entered. Since it can, per the rules, it must be entered that way.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand what you are saying. But my understanding doesn't change what the rules say to do.
But I can't see the text 'T4xi' on the cover at all. All I can see is a graphical arangement of letters forming a kind of logo with the letters 'T', 'X', 'i', and the digit '4'. My argument exactly. Just because certain graphic symbols are somewhat close enough to roman lettering to be able to "translate" them does not turn them into "semi-leters" and into something that, for example, nordic runes are not. On the contrary, the runes might even be closer to letters than the usage of numbers instead of letters (3 = E; 4=A), since they are part of an (ancient and extinct) language that was actually in use by men, whereas numbers is only the way of communication for machines (if someone wants to go down that road). | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: May 25, 2007 | | Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Hmm, but what about the series "Numb3rs"? This should we similar to T4Xi?
I have no idea about "Numbers". But I know it is "Seven" and "Layer Cake".
No, it's "Se7en". My copies (one R1, and one R2 that I no longer have) are in the cover list that RHo provided and both are titled "Seven" with an original title of "Se7en". Anyone have "Murd3r by Num8ers" to check? |
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