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Case type (again....)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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When quoting out of context, it would be helpful to readers if you would link back to the original discussion. Here's the link for what you quoted above.


you first have to know how to get that link as you did

Click on Martin's name in one of his posts.
Click the link for 'Forum posts by Martin_Zuidervliet'.
Search for the text (there are multiple pages, so you may need to click the page numbers to go back in time).
When you find the post, click on the thread title which is in the upper left of the post in bold.
That takes you to the post and highlights the post for you.
Copy the URL.
Select the text in your post with which you intend to show the link. (eg. here's the link)
Click the link button
Paste the URL into the script prompt:
here's the link
...James

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thanks for the explanation, i'm out of positive ratings for today 
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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thanks for the explanation, i'm out of positive ratings for today 


I got your back.
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thanks for the explanation

No problem.

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i'm out of positive ratings for today 

That's a good thing actually.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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The way I read the rule to be a slip case it needs to Contain More Then One Internal Case AND[i][/i] Contain More Than One Film.

- more then one internal case? - Pass
- more then one film? - Fail, only one film with a bunch of extras.

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discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set.

Discs of extras for the main film don't count as separate items.

Gift packs are not box sets.



Again, the mistake of mixing profiles with actual packaging. It is not relevant. And the way you read the rules is wrong. The first part of your sentence is OK. The latter part you made up. That's not ok.

Gift sets indeed aren't box sets. the gift set itself has a separate profile and has case type "custom" so that's not relevant either. Now, if the profile by Disc-ID wasn't entered at all the case type would still have been "custom" and this whole discussion would have passed us by. That is not the case, however.
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I don't own this one, so it's a bit hard to comment, but having fought some case type battles not long ago, I got so curious that I had to go and look at the profile(s). This is about the Dutch 3-disc "Director's Cut" edition of 'Hellboy'. EAN-code is 8-712609-052329. It's a rather large box (giftset): I think everyone agrees this is case type "custom", and that's what it's listed as, so no problem there.

Now, this box does not only contain a booklet and some kind of statuette, but also a separate cardboard box, which in turn contains three ThinPAKs with the three discs in them. This cardboard box (with in it three ThinPAKs) has no EAN-code of its own, but has been contributed using the disc ID of the first disc, and has been assigned as a child profile to the giftset parent. Currently, its case type is listed as "ThinPAK" with the "Slip Cover" checkbox ticked. I really don't get this. Again: it's a cardboard box with three ThinPAKs in it. How is this not a "slip case"? Let me add some images...

This is the giftset:


This is the leaflet on the back of the giftset - note that it shows a picture of the DVD-set within, with pictures of the slipcase and the three ThinPAKs within:


This is the front of the cardboard box that's among the contents of the giftset. Inside it are three separate ThinPAKS:


Maybe it's just me, but it seems clear to me that the giftset gets "custom" and the child profile gets "slip case". If you were to go to grand-child level (which is not necessary as it's just one movie plus bonus features), they would each get "THINpak". I really don't see any other option - but hey, maybe it's just me...
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems clear to me that the giftset gets "custom" and the child profile gets "slip case". If you were to go to grand-child level (which is not necessary as it's just one movie plus bonus features), they would each get "THINpak". I really don't see any other option - but hey, maybe it's just me...

Maybe it's just me, but a Disc is never packed in a Slip Case. A Slip Case is just an empty shell without a container. The simple fact that the main feature and bonus discs are separately packed does not mean the profile suddenly becomes a box set.
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And again we are confusing box set and case type <shakes head>
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No, I'm not confusing anything. I know a Box Set and a Slip Case are not the same thing. I meant that a child profile does not have be converted to a parent/box set profile because it contains more than one disc.
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Darxon is right. You're looking at what's actually on this DVD, and you're letting THAT decide what the case type should be. We don't do that. You just look at what you have in your hands, and it doesn't matter whether those discs contain 30 episodes of a TV show, six separate movies, or just one movie plus bonus material - that doesn't change the packaging it comes in.

People used to think this way back when we had "box set" as case type: they assigned it to each and every profile they considered to be a "box set", whether it was packaged in a digipak, in a large keepcase, or in a slipcase with a few ThinPAKs in it like in this 'Hellboy' example. Ken made a conscious decision to stop this behaviour by removing the term "box set" from case types, and clarifying things further in a string of forum threads. You're now doing the same thing with "slip case": you're saying this cannot be a slipcase because it's just one movie, because it doesn't have child profiles. Again: the contents of the discs doesn't have any bearing on what the case type is. You just look at what you have in your hand, and then you pick the appropriate packaging from the list. This profile is for a cardboard box with three ThinPAKs: that's a "slipcase".
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This profile is for a cardboard box with three ThinPAKs: that's a "slipcase".

No, this profile is for a THINpak which is enclosed in a Slip Cover. Slip Cases should only be used for Box Set profiles, just like Keepcases and Digipaks with more than one movie.
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Martin, is it a case like the Magnolia example in this thread, but with Thinpak instead of Keep Case?

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Martin, is it a case like the Magnolia example in this thread, but with Thinpak instead of Keep Case?

Eh, yeah... So, this has to be called a Slip Case???... I give up.

BTW, I changed my vote to neutral. I'm giving you an arrow up and I will keep my view local. I hope everyone is happy now.
Martin Zuidervliet

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I don't have the gift set of this, but I do have the normal release of the director's cut. I think Tim's right - the gift set could maybe be treated differently, but as I don't have it I can't comment on what it should be.
In the case of the normal release, as there is only one film, there is only one profile, and because the discs are held in 3 thinpaks, the case type is "slipcase" because it contains multiple cases.
It's unfortunate we can't have "thinpak" in the profile, but that's the way Ken wants it for now.

Edit: Martin, unfortunately the "slipcase" case type is not just for boxsets, it's for all kinds of profiles. I haven't thought enough yet about whether it would work restricting it to boxset profiles only, but it may be worth suggesting it to see what the reaction is.
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Edit: Martin, unfortunately the "slipcase" case type is not just for boxsets, it's for all kinds of profiles. I haven't thought enough yet about whether it would work restricting it to boxset profiles only, but it may be worth suggesting it to see what the reaction is.


My 2 cents: Don't. After finally getting to a point where the usage is somewhat clear, throwing it all into turmoil again, and by that refuelling all the old discussions on this topic once more, is counterproductive to say the least.
Lutz
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