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even imdb has them under other crew 
The Big Lebowski

Other crew
Melissa Aggeles .... dancer
Karyn Anonia .... production goddess
Barry Asher .... bowling consultant
Randall Balsmeyer .... title designer
Clement Baque .... caterer
Barry Beaulac .... effects technician
Lilli Birdsell .... dancer
Lisa C. Boltauzer .... dancer
Julie Bond .... dancer
Aillene Laure Bubis .... accounting production assistant
Val Burnley .... location assistant (as Valerie Jo Burnley)
Rashid Chinchanwala .... financial consultant
Karen Christenberry .... dancer
Pattie Cooke .... baby wrangler
Holly Copeland .... dancer
Rita Lisa Danao .... set production assistant
Kiva Dawson .... dancer
Tammy R. Dickson .... set production assistant
Patricia Douglas .... assistant: Mr. Goodman
Juliette Dow .... assistant: Mr. Bevan
Elizabeth A. Eaton .... dancer
Gregg Edler .... production coordinator
Tom Elkins .... assistant production coordinator
Lindsay Fellenbaum .... dancer
Thomas W. Foster .... first aid
Chris Fuentes .... location assistant
Jennifer S. Garett .... dancer
Robert Graf .... location manager
Amelia Granger .... assistant: Mr. Fellner
Jamie Green .... dancer
Elizabeth Himelstein .... dialect coach
Rachel Holroyd .... legal advisor
Marty Houston .... office assistant
Kim Jordan .... assistant location manager
Larry Kaplan .... publicist
Ken Kells .... stand-in
Nina Khoshaba .... company coordinator
Laurel Kitten .... dancer
Gary Kramer .... craft service
T. Kukovinski .... script supervisor
Bill Landrum .... choreographer
Jacqui Landrum .... choreographer
Jacqui Landrum .... dancer
Lauren Lapham .... production intern
Mary Lee .... dancer
Jerry Legget .... payroll accountant
Carrie Macy .... dancer
Danielle Marcus-Janssen .... dancer
Joelle Martinec .... dancer
Jonas C. Matz .... first aid
Caitlin McLean .... dancer
Stacy Minkowsky .... production intern
Angela Morrison .... legal advisor
Danielle Nicole Parish .... dancer
Randol Perelman-Taylor .... set production assistant (as Randol P. Taylor)
Jacquie Perryman .... senior vice president: PolyGram Soundtracks
Sandra Plazinic .... dancer
Kimberly Rach .... production secretary
William Preston Robertson .... giggles/howls/marmots
Michelle Rudy .... dancer (as Michelle Rudy-Mirkovich)
Alan J. Schoolcraft .... president of operations: Mike Zoss Productions
Kelly Sheerin .... dancer
Mindy Sheldon .... accountant
Alison Simpson .... dancer
Katherine Slay .... dancer
Kristina Soderquist .... assistant accountant
Jenifer Strovas .... dancer
Eileen Sullivan .... baby wrangler
Michelle E. Swanson .... dancer
Lara Thompson .... assistant: Mr. Fellner
Amy Tinkham .... dancer
Bree Turner .... dancer
Eric Vignando .... caterer
Martina Volpp .... dancer
Amy Warren .... dancer
Natalie Webb .... dancer
Kim Yates .... dancer
Fred Fein .... stand-in (uncredited)
Mem Ferda .... double: Jeff Bridges (uncredited)
David Torn .... textures & guitar (uncredited)
Frank G. Turner .... stand-in (uncredited)
Charlie Vogel .... post-production accountant (uncredited)
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I suppose i could enter them as uncredited cast as they are in the crew credits but that just doesn't seem right.


Indeed you could not enter them as uncredited as they are credited.
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RHo as ususal ois wrong. A divider would be appropriate, they used it in the film. W e had this discussion already RHo, it must be one you missed.


We had this discussion, yes, but nothing every came from it. The dividers are for separating cast lists, not for group roles, so I support Rho on this. Dividers are not to be used for this.

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Since they are not included in the "End credits" as defined in the Rules:

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For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits".


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they should not be included in the cast credits at all.
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In at least one of the Lord Of The Rings movies Peter Jackson's kids are credited for their cameo appearance...within the Crew.

In the profiles of the DVD releases I own they are at the end of the cast lists.

Should these have been left out as well? Or marked as uncredited; with documentation pointing back to the credits ()?


I would have voted not to include the dancers, as they are not in the cast list, yet my above example made me hold back for now...


they are credited in all three movies, if there not in the cast listing they should not be there.

I remember rather clearly that in at least one of the three films they are not in the cast but in the Crew section of the credits. Had me quite surprised at the time.

However, the question for me is not if they should be in the list (they should!) but whether they should be marked as "uncredited"...
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However, the question for me is not if they should be in the list (they should!) but whether they should be marked as "uncredited"...


logic: if they are credited you can't enter them as uncredited 
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For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits".

The above rule just states that actors can only be gleaned from the "end credits".  Nowhere does it say all actors must be listed in the end credits one after the other, just that it be in a single section at the end of the film which happens to be called the "end credits".  The rules are just reinforcing the notion that if actors are listed at the beginning of a film and also at the end of the film, then the info must be taken from just a single section which happens to be the "end credits".

At least this is how I read it.  It is just another one of those rules that should be made clearer.  Obviously dancers aren't crew.
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where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section

the dancers in this end credit  are not listed in one section together with all credited actors involved!
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logic: if they are credited you can't enter them as uncredited 

As they are not credited in the Cast section (not in the same section with the other actors) they should not get credited in DVD Profiler. But as they are credited in the Crew section I cannot list them in the profile at all?
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not yet DVD Profiler does not have dancers in the crew department
you could make a request for stunt people and dancers.
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However, the question for me is not if they should be in the list (they should!) but whether they should be marked as "uncredited"...


logic: if they are credited you can't enter them as uncredited 


But the only acceptable credit for cast members is the cast section of the end credits.  Since these fall outside of that section it is not considered a cast credit, therefore, as cast members they are not properly credited, thus "unccredited".    Somehow, that sorta makes sense to me...
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However, the question for me is not if they should be in the list (they should!) but whether they should be marked as "uncredited"...


logic: if they are credited you can't enter them as uncredited 


But the only acceptable credit for cast members is the cast section of the end credits.  Since these fall outside of that section it is not considered a cast credit, therefore, as cast members they are not properly credited, thus "unccredited".    Somehow, that sorta makes sense to me...


a credit is a credit nobody speaks of cast credit or cast members, even imdb has them as other crew
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not yet DVD Profiler does not have dancers in the crew department
you could make a request for stunt people and dancers.

my bad... In my mind I was still talking about the Jackson kids

Agreed on the dancers.
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Since they are not included in the "End credits" as defined in the Rules:

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For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits".


(bolding is mine)

they should not be included in the cast credits at all.


If you're going to follow that, you have to leave out a lot of voice actors in animated features as well, since they're not in a standard film credit

They are often credited as

Character 1
Design by: John Doe
Animated by: Angus Young
Voiced by: Howard Johnson
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.
.
.

Character 2
Design by: Elmer Fudd
Animated by: Chris Cartland
Voiced by: Anon Ymous
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.
.

And so on... We don't leave those out of the cast list even though they aren't listed together in a single section

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If you're going to follow that, you have to leave out a lot of voice actors in animated features as well, since they're not in a standard film credit

They are often credited as

Character 1
Design by: John Doe
Animated by: Angus Young
Voiced by: Howard Johnson
.
.
.
.

Character 2
Design by: Elmer Fudd
Animated by: Chris Cartland
Voiced by: Anon Ymous
.
.
.

And so on... We don't leave those out of the cast list even though they aren't listed together in a single section


I suppose the characters are still grouped together in that format.
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a credit is a credit nobody speaks of cast credit or cast members, even imdb has them as other crew


So if you were watching a dvd and noticed Alan Greenspan dancing in the ballroom scene and he was not listed in any of the credits, you wouldn't add him to Uncredited cast?  Simply because he happened to be dancing?  To each his own, I guess.
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