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The Rule for "credited as" applies here.  His "name" is different than the way he is credited.  His name is Bill Bradley....not Senator Bill Bradley.

At the time this episode was aired, his name was 'Senator Bill Bradley'.  From what I have read, this was his only role AND there are other actors with the name 'Bill Bradley'.  That means we must add BYs as well as the 'credited as' for this one single role.  It seems a whole lot easier, and better, to simply use his title at the time. 

I agree... not to mention the rule states to use as credited where names are different... and to use the credit look-up tool to see when to use the as credited field...plus Ken's statement to clarify to use most credited form... so I believe that supports using Senator Bill Bradley. Since Ken clearly said to use most commonly credited.

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The Rule for "credited as" applies here.  His "name" is different than the way he is credited.  His name is Bill Bradley....not Senator Bill Bradley.

At the time this episode was aired, his name was 'Senator Bill Bradley'.  From what I have read, this was his only role AND there are other actors with the name 'Bill Bradley'.  That means we must add BYs as well as the 'credited as' for this one single role.  It seems a whole lot easier, and better, to simply use his title at the time. 

His name has never been Senator Bill Bradley.  His name is Bill Bradley and his name is preceded by a title of Senator.  Senator is NOT part of his name!

Using "Senator" as part of the name in order to avoid having to use BY's to distinguish between two actors with the same name.....hmmmmm....where is that in the Rules?

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I agree... not to mention the rule states to use as credited where names are different... and to use the credit look-up tool to see when to use the as credited field...plus Ken's statement to clarify to use most credited form... so I believe that supports using Senator Bill Bradley. Since Ken clearly said to use most commonly credited.

There are two parts to the Rule here, Pete.  "Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name." then "To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool. ".

This case meets the first criteria, therefore, you have to use "credited as". 

Nowhere in the Rules does it actually say to use the most commonly occurring name found in the lookup tool.  Ken has clarified that this is the intent of the Rule here on the forums, but it does not actually say that.

That's like saying "Mr." is part of my name.  It's not!  Nor is Senator part of his "name".

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Have to agree with Skip... Senator Mitchell is an ex-senator, but always called "Senator Mitchell". He'll forever be referred to as a senator.

Beg to differ.  He is not "always called Senator Mitchell".

I sit corrected, his wife probably calls him darling. 

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Question Hal, How is the name displayed On Screen. As Senator Bill Bradley, so this discussion is over, we do As Credited to get the data right. If he has only ever been so Credited then we have no need of anything else, do we. In short your argument is moot.

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Except that's not what the Rules say, Skip.

Direct quote from the Rules:
"Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name."

His name differs from the way he is credited.  There is no ambiguity here whatsoever!

Please show me where in the Rules it says that a person has to be credited two or more different ways BEFORE you can use the"credited as" feature!

And the "discussion is over" because you say so????  I think not!

OMG.           Unbelievable. Talk about twisting.

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You are soooo off base, hal.

This is NOT about variants, this is about how to handle one particular person's credit. He is credited in ONE film apparently, and that ONE film has him credited Senator Bill Bradley PERIOD. no VARIANT is required, even IF there is a Bill Bradley, which there could be from his days as an NBA player. Then the only question becomes how many Bill Bradleys are there versus Senator Bill. But the As Credited handling of Senator Bill Bradley would be Senator Bill//Bradley, the Alias is a completely different topic. And as I have noted before IF As Credited is not correct then Creited As (Alias) will NEVER be correct. We are too use the Lookup Tool to find what is the Mmost common entry, if that entry is completely ignored in favor of the Alias system, then you have invalidated the Lookup Tool by default. Because Senator Bill will NEVER be accurately accounted for in the Lookup Tool. Perhaps we are getting to close to rocket science.

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Except that's not what the Rules say, Skip.

Direct quote from the Rules:
"Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name."

His name differs from the way he is credited.  There is no ambiguity here whatsoever!

Please show me where in the Rules it says that a person has to be credited two or more different ways BEFORE you can use the"credited as" feature!

And the "discussion is over" because you say so????  I think not!

If that is what the rule means, we all have a lot of work to do.  Right off the top of my head, I can think of the following cases where "the person's name differs from the credited name."

Marion Morrison (credited as John Wayne)
Dennis Buchinsky (credited as Charles Bronson)
Ramón Estévez (credited as Martin Sheen)
Carlos Estévez (credited as Charlie Sheen)
Cedric Kyles (credited as Cedric the Entertainer)
Dana Owens (credited as Queen Latifah)
O'Shea Jackson (credited as Ice Cube)

If I looked real hard, I am sure I could come up with a lot more.