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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Reybr:
Do we list Video information for Bonus Discs...NO...98% of the time. Do we list people involved in Bonus Discs....again NO. What makes up the majority of the data, that involved in the Main Feature. Typically Bonus Discs are an adjunct to the whle and the ONLY place most data for such discs is recorded is IN THE FEATURES area. No wehere. else, we don't do Runtimes or anything else relative to Bonus Features or Discs, thus the Region data beyond the Main Feature is irrelevant.
Nice argument, though.
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
No Skip, We're not profiling (just) the movie. This is not Movie Profiler, this is DVD Profiler and we profile the DVDs. The entire thing we pick up when we go to the store. (or website)
If I want to buy a DVD that has a feature disc encoded as region 2 + 4 and a bonus disc encoded as 4, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying a movie where I can't use the bonus disc. So if you mark a profile is 2 + just because the main feature is 2 + 4, I lose very valuable information that helps me decide if that version of the movie is worth buying. (BTW, it's not unusual to have one disc as 2,4 (or 2,5) and another as just 2)
I vote to use the lowest factor (no notes anywhere, but that point isn't important) Well, yes, this is DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler. Yet, the data about the content of the DVD (Cast, Crew, Studios, Run Time, Genres, Video Format, Audio Tracks, Subtitles, etc.) all refer to the Main Feature on the DVD, either a movie or episodes of a TV show, not to Featurettes or other special features, which have a section of their own... plus the the possibility to add a Bonus Materials disc, if there is any, and there in its description you could specify different Regions. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Nice argument, though.
Skip Thanks.. I always wanted to use the "This is not Movie Profiler" argument  But the fact that we don't list the running time or video information for bonus discs (unless they are in a box set and then as a separate profile) has, in my opinion, nothing to do with this argument. (And the reason we don't list it is, I guess, that it would need a lot of new fields in the DB. Regions don't) The goal of this database it to be a usefull database for the users. (At least I hope it is). To me, it's much more important to show to a user if they can play the entire DVD package or not without putting the DVD into the DVD player How would you react if you bought an European DVD (I know you only buy R1s) marked as 1,2 and you were looking forward to all that fantastic bonus material on disc two but couldn't play it when you inserted it into the DVD player? But I repeat myself. It's still the exact same argument I made on the previous page  (And then we have the argument that some box sets have some R2 discs and some R2,4) | | | 
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Put me down for only listing regions available on all discs, then listing it in the description field. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
How would you react if you bought an European DVD (I know you only buy R1s) marked as 1,2 and you were looking forward to all that fantastic bonus material on disc two but couldn't play it when you inserted it into the DVD player?
You could find it out anyway, by specifying the different Regions in the Disc Description field of the Bonus Materials disc. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another argument for going with the lowest common: The DVD cover doesn't show such a set as R2,4. Only R2. True, the rules say that we can change the region to what is on the disc if there is a discrepancy. But in this case there is no discrepancy since one disc is exactly what the cover says | | |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Do we list Video information for Bonus Discs...NO...98% of the time. Do we list people involved in Bonus Discs....again NO. What makes up the majority of the data, that involved in the Main Feature. Typically Bonus Discs are an adjunct to the whle and the ONLY place most data for such discs is recorded is IN THE FEATURES area. No wehere. else, we don't do Runtimes or anything else relative to Bonus Features or Discs, thus the Region data beyond the Main Feature is irrelevant. It's true we don't capture a lot of data for bonus material. And that's how it should be. If you want it, make it local. But this is a totally different issue. This is necessary data for people spending their hard earned money. If something isn't going to work for them, they should know ahead of time. They can still play the disc with or without the other data. But this is one piece of information that actually might cause the disc to not play at all and for that reason, it's worth capturing. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 315 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to help contextualize a bit, and somehow strengthen Mark's input.
It's quite common here in R2land (at least with me and with the DVDPro users I know) to use DVDprofiler in order to check if a better existing R1 edition will play here as well. Most of the time on-line retailers will not have this info, so we have to rely on DVDpro for that.
Now imagine the situation, we'd actually buy the R1 because of all those extra features that the R2 didn't had, and when we get it we realize that the disc with those same features and that made us buy that actually won't play...
That's why I think it's important to capture that info somewhere.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe it's me, but I think everyone is saying the same thing...just differently. Skip is saying 'main feature', you guys are saying 'lowest common'. Both end up being the same as both mean to enter the one(s) that are the same for both discs: Main feature R2 Bonus features R2/4 Enter R2 Main feature R2/5 Bonus feature R2/4 Ah...lightbulb goes off above head. This is where you part company. In Skip's version we would enter R2/5. In the other version you would only enter R2. Am I getting this right or am I way off base on this?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Main feature R2
Bonus features R2/4
Enter R2
Main feature R2/5
Bonus feature R2/4
Ah...lightbulb goes off above head. This is where you part company. In Skip's version we would enter R2/5. In the other version you would only enter R2.
Am I getting this right or am I way off base on this? That is how I understand it as well |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 315 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's the message I caught as well. | | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Maybe it's me, but I think everyone is saying the same thing...just differently. Skip is saying 'main feature', you guys are saying 'lowest common'. Both end up being the same as both mean to enter the one(s) that are the same for both discs:
Main feature R2
Bonus features R2/4
Enter R2
Main feature R2/5
Bonus feature R2/4
Ah...lightbulb goes off above head. This is where you part company. In Skip's version we would enter R2/5. In the other version you would only enter R2.
Am I getting this right or am I way off base on this? It's when the main feature is R2/4 and the bonus feature is R2 we get a problem: Main feature: R2/4 Bonus feature R2 I want to enter that as R2 (lowest common) Skip wants to enter that as R2/4 (main feature) | | |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 97 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr:
It's when the main feature is R2/4 and the bonus feature is R2 we get a problem:
Main feature: R2/4
Bonus feature R2
I want to enter that as R2 (lowest common)
Skip wants to enter that as R2/4 (main feature)
Well, I actually agree with Skip. I think that the main feature should be what we take the info from. If you want to list the different region of the bonus disc then I guess it can always go in the Disc Descriptor field.
Is this just hypothetical or is this a real situation? I have quite a few discs where the bonus disc is for more regions than the main feature, but I've never found one the other way around. | | | | Last edited: by eggerty |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eggerty: Quote:
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It's when the main feature is R2/4 and the bonus feature is R2 we get a problem:
Main feature: R2/4
Bonus feature R2
I want to enter that as R2 (lowest common)
Skip wants to enter that as R2/4 (main feature)
Well, I actually agree with Skip. I think that the main feature should be what we take the info from. If you want to list the different region of the bonus disc then I guess it can always go in the Disc Descriptor field.
I'm fortunate in that I have a dvd player that has been 'fixed' to play all regions - but lots of people still buy their players from a shop in the high street. (these will only play R2). I buy a lot of discs with bonus features. Most of which are also available as single disc versions. If I couldn't play the bonus disc then I would be seriously pi**ed off! People do not buy multi disc sets just to play the movie. We need to report the region code which is the same across all the discs. | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
I also think that this is DVD Profiler and we therefore should profile the lowest common denominator. 100% agree; if I saw in DVDP that something was R2 and R4 then found out I couldn't play the Bonus Features disc because it was R4 only I would be livid! | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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I also think that this is DVD Profiler and we therefore should profile the lowest common denominator.
100% agree; if I saw in DVDP that something was R2 and R4 then found out I couldn't play the Bonus Features disc because it was R4 only I would be livid! If using the lowest common denominator (R4 in your example), I would also enter the information that the Main Feature disc is 2,4, anyway (at least in the Disc Description field). | | | | -- Enry |
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