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Tried this:

Cuba Gooding, Jr.  showed 99 titles / 223 profiles
Cuba Gooding, Jr  showed 0 titles / 0 profiles
Cuba Gooding Jr.  showed 208 titles / 557 profiles
Cuba Gooding Jr  showed 2 titles / 2 profiles

Again, it's probably just the IMDb-influence resulting in this high "score" for the comma-less name variant - it has nothing to do with what's ACTUALLY the most-credited form.

Absolutely correct.
Pete is writing about how the database is supposed to be. We are writing about how it is today
So he is right with his opinion in an ideal database, which we don't have and we are trying to find out how we can get onto a way to Pete's vision.
My solution: Ken please give us a rule, doesn't matter which one just a rule. PLEASE!

It's a big user base and difficult to write the perfect rule.  Such is life.

Well, I can document that hundreds of those Robert Downey Jr. credits are wrong - because I have checked the actual credits for most of them, and I see hundreds of incorrect entries. Again: thanks to the huge chunk of IMDb-data, the "credit lookup" tool will declare the comma-less name variant as winner every single time - without any relation to actual credits.

The bottom line is that I don't want to wait a year before having correct data. When I audit a profile, I try to get it correct right now. IMHO, Ken really needs to make a choice on this one, because "use the most credited form" simply doesn't work with this. And if this is starting to drive away contributors, it might take even longer before the bulk of the profiles get corrected...

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I am not writing just about how it is supposed to be... but the only conclusion from the rules as they are written and from Ken's comment from not that long ago... that we are meant to use the most common from his credit look-up tool ubless you can document that the credit look-up tool is incorrect. He went on to say that the best way to do this is to get all the cast/crew lists into the online database as credited as soon as possible.

Tried this several times with e.g "Thomas Rosales, Jr." (6 variants) and others.
1st problem: I don't own all movies he occurs in, so I can't really check whether all profiles are right.
2nd problem: Even if I did own all movies, I wouldn't have enough money to buy all versions of this movie (Special-, Collector's-, Whatnot-edition) and you have the inconsistencies here too from one UPC to the other but still the same movie.
3rd problem: the screeners often do not really check the sources. Had this several times with Mr. Rosales where I gave a NO-Vote because I really checked the credits, the profile got released anyhow.

My temporarily chosen solution: Correct for my local database and lock the profile.

at this point that is for each person to decide on what is best for them... me... I am doing my best to get my collection as credited (as time allows). That is what Ken asked... so that is what I, myself am trying to do.

Worst case... the "common name" changes over time... and we need to switch them in the profiles... this is possible with pretty much any name out there. so I, myself will just take it one day at a time and will do as was requested.

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Other then that... all I can say is... as Ken said to get it right we need to work on getting all the credits into the database as credited.

That's what I meant when I wrote that you're writing about how it's supposed to be, not how it is.
Generally you're right and I believe you when you say that you, as many others, credit according to the rules, but there are still a lot who simply copy IMDB-data, because it's easier than to note down every credit from the endcredits.

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Other then that... all I can say is... as Ken said to get it right we need to work on getting all the credits into the database as credited.

And I'm doing that... Every single day. But it gets harder and harder, caused by stupid little things like this. An update from me that changes a blatant IMDb-dump to a neat "as credited" set of data can get voted down by someone saying: "the credit lookup tool says that Robert Downey Jr. is the correct common name, not Robert Downey, Jr." I'm sorry, but there comes a point when I give up (considering that those lookup tool results are not related to actual credits at all). And as is apparent from this thread: several others have already given up. I really feel that's a bad thing, while one simple instruction from Ken - always use a comma preceding suffixes - could get us all on the same page immediately.

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Other then that... all I can say is... as Ken said to get it right we need to work on getting all the credits into the database as credited.

And I'm doing that... Every single day. But it gets harder and harder, caused by stupid little things like this. An update from me that changes a blatant IMDb-dump to a neat "as credited" set of data can get voted down by someone saying: "the credit lookup tool says that Robert Downey Jr. is the correct common name, not Robert Downey, Jr." I'm sorry, but there comes a point when I give up (considering that those lookup tool results are not related to actual credits at all). And as is apparent from this thread: several others have already given up. I really feel that's a bad thing, while one simple instruction from Ken - always use a comma preceding suffixes - could get us all on the same page immediately.

And this has all come up before... and to this point he decided against it... so all we can do is either do it as he permits for the online database... or do as some of you are doing now... and do it as you wish...keeping it local. Until Ken decided whether or not to change this... that is the only choices I see. Personally I opted to do as Ken wishes (to this point). Everyone else has to make their own decision on it.

But going the other way then what the look-up tool says is most credited... without putting forth suitable documentation to show that the look-up tool is wrong (in your contribution notes) is not the way to do it... and would get a no vote from me.