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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 72 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50:We are cataloguing DVDs not Movies or TV Shows and these kind of mistkes are going to happen. Will they be valiuable? I can't answer that, but I can say that the possibility for such added value exists and as such we should capture the error.
I disagree. I collect movies and TV Shows. For me the DVD is only the data medium. I want correct data and can't the the benefit to catalog obviously errors. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hilbert:
Have you take notice of the name of the Program, it is not MovieProfiler or TVProfiler, but DVDProfiler | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tigi:
I would have to vote No, based on what I have said. It is IMPORTANT that we capture and document that error, but I do recognize the desire to have correct data, thus my suggestion and in my never to be humble opinion...You are not following the Rules. I offered you a suggestion that would both follow the letter the Rules and offer another answer that would be documented through your notes.
Foir example NEITHER of the two Region 1 releases conatin your mastering error. As I said I would have to vote NO to a straight up Rules violation, but could vote Yes to the Option. I take that back they may be in error as well, and if so they should be documeted. . WE could lobby HBO for a correction, which have a different Disc ID from the erroneous listing, but the error still needs to be captured.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, Tigi, Kudos for your discovery.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Foir example NEITHER of the two Region 1 releases conatin your mastering error. Uhm, Skip, you might want to take a look at your own contribution for the RC1 "Signature Edition". You are the user I mentioned who simply dumped the incorrect credits into the profile (see Disc 4; obviously the US release does contain the mastering error) and your contribution is one of those I mentioned which contain numerous errors. So I suggest you better get to work on your own profiles right away. | | | | Michael |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting HilbertHimmelwaerts: Quote:
I disagree. I collect movies and TV Shows. For me the DVD is only the data medium. I want correct data and can't the the benefit to catalog obviously errors. And you are welcome to put that correct information into your local db. The main db, however, belongs to invelos and we must follow their rules when contributing to their db. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | One wonders why you felt the need to even ask the question, Tigi. Since several users agreed with me and you have chosen to do what you want as opposed to following the Rules.  I am sorry you did not get the answer that you obviously wanted to get, but that is the answer. And I back comp[letely Unicus' response. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | After considering your input, I chose to do what I felt was best for the profile and compliant with the rules. So let's leave it at that. You've got work to do, anyway.  | | | | Michael |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry Skip, but TigiHof is completely within his rights to submit an incomplete cast & crew list. He is under no obligation to enter the rest of the data.
He hasn't entered any "uncredited" data, he's simply omitted to include the incorrect credits. That's perfectly within his rights and therefore can't be voted against. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, North. The Rules do NOT give Tigi, that option. The Rules tell him to use the end credits.
"For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only"
From the Earth to the Moon utilizes standard credits as defined by the Rules, it does NOT give Tigi the ability to make any kind of judgement regarding those credits. I provided him an option which I still believe is workable, but a blatant violation of the rul;es...No.
He also is not documenting an ALIAS name.
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought we were talking about a TV series here.
From what I can tell by what's posted here, they have the major credits in the opening titles and the minor cast in the end credits, as do most TV series these days.
In these cases the rules tell us to list those in the front credits first, before those in the end credits. Therefore TigiHof is not breaking any rules by listing only those in the front credits. His list is simply incomplete not wrong. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | TV Series are not unique in the way in which they deal cast data. They share all of the same issues that film does.
But even so north
"Enter Cast and Crew for each episode using standard rules" like i said Tigi, does not have the ability to do as HE wishes anywhere except his local.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ummm....can we get back to the part where the region 1 profiles are rife with errors? I didn't really want to have to look at those. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apart from the fact that very often there will be credits at the start of the episode that are not repeated during the end credits, therefore come under the rule:
"If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits."
And from the way people have been talking, this series seems to have it's credits this way. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way TigiHof has decided to submit this profile. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Ummm....can we get back to the part where the region 1 profiles are rife with errors? I didn't really want to have to look at those. Do what I do on these occasions, just stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la" Works for me every time...  Edit: and seeing how it's written down, best close your eyes too   | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Apart from the fact that very often there will be credits at the start of the episode that are not repeated during the end credits, therefore come under the rule:
"If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits."
And from the way people have been talking, this series seems to have it's credits this way. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way TigiHof has decided to submit this profile. Except he decided to follow the first half of the rule and ignore the second half. I understand what he is doing, and why, but I will not pretend that it follows the rules.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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