I don't see that Surfeur ever got bullied, from this users viewpoints Surfeur created his own difficulties. THAT is part of the problem here, people, intsead of accepting each others viewpoints, and I can understand how Surfeur could justify his position, we are going to busily be judging based on our opinions. Thank God, I have higher standards than that, otherwise Surfeur and a lot of other people would be in serious trouble. We seem to be very nosy as a community and not tolerant of others opinions, to the point of the game of beat down. Just my opinion

Skip

When I read the first post, I read it as that he would have no part in any rule that he disagreed with.  At the time, it really rubbed me the wrong way (I was having troubles sleeping) which cast a negative view on the entire translation.  No disrespect was intended and indeed, I wasn't calling Surfer dishonest but I also couldn't help but feel that because he wouldn't translate the rules he didn't agree with would inpact how he viewed the rules as a whole when (as pointed out in another post in the thread) translating phrases and ideas that don't have a clean translation.

Now that I've rejuvinated after consuming Starbucks products to help with only getting a couple hours of sleep, I would feel that I would take the translation (if it was my app) but I would want it to be reviewed by someone else who is fluent in the language before using it.  Not that I don't trust him, I just want to make sure no bias was brought forth.

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... when we read answer from "English" people (from UK, USA, Australia... where it's their mother tongue) we don't understand the sentence with all the subtlety and that's could be the beginning of misinterpretation and the troubles...

Cyrille, please don't try to make me more stupid than I am. When english speaking people use the words "regime of Vichy" or "gestapo", I do not need to understand the subtlety of the sentence. And when an user who used one of those terms concerning me writes he doesn't see that I ever got bullied, we have the summum of hypocrisy.

I got the feeling that Cyrille was speaking in general terms and may not have been aware of the statements made by Skip.  He did say that he didn't participate in these kinds of discussions.  I could, of course, be way off base here. 

As to the rest, you can be quite sure that red marks will be handed out should those insults be thrown your way again.

Well, I won't pretend to speak for another user, but speaking for myself, Cyrille has it precisely CORRECT. How many times have I told YOU, Unicus, that you clearly don't understand what I am saying even though you claim that you do, and how many times have I told you you aree dead wrong in your presumptions.

Perhaps my sense of humor is sometimes far too subtle. I am also not appreciative even in general terms at your threat. And NO i will not throw a red mark your way, even though perhaps I should. And as I said from this users point of view, if Surfeur felt abused or bullied, he brought it on himself.

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... when we read answer from "English" people (from UK, USA, Australia... where it's their mother tongue) we don't understand the sentence with all the subtlety and that's could be the beginning of misinterpretation and the troubles...

Cyrille, please don't try to make me more stupid than I am. When english speaking people use the words "regime of Vichy" or "gestapo", I do not need to understand the subtlety of the sentence. And when an user who used one of those terms concerning me writes he doesn't see that I ever got bullied, we have the summum of hypocrisy.

I got the feeling that Cyrille was speaking in general terms and may not have been aware of the statements made by Skip.  He did say that he didn't participate in these kinds of discussions.  I could, of course, be way off base here. 

As to the rest, you can be quite sure that red marks will be handed out should those insults be thrown your way again.

Yes it is. As I already said to Surfeur on the French forum, I wasn't aware of this. Of course I can't and I will never can't support this kind of slanderous.

I also agree with Cyrille, as I witting in an old topic not so old, this are not a civilised language , but I think as EnryWiki  Said we must giving a chance to the Reputation System to making his proof. The only thing important are to respect the point of view from everybody, that’s the democratic system.

Some peoples talking about Surfeur without really know him, Well I know he will not like this, but I still writing this, Sufeur are a very kind man, and he working very hard for all the French people,  came and see all the great job he done on the French forum.

Some words are very hard to accept, The only good method are, not write them, that’s simple as that. I know also Cyrille a long time ago and they are the perfect mediator and always ready to help each other.

To conclude this I would said , it not necessary to answer immediately just take a good sleep and after that you can  clarified your Idea and at this time answer. This are not an isolated case, the case could touch every one of us, That’s the thing I’m learning from life.

Sometime I have regret to beginning this topic about the Idea to make a Working  group, This where just an idea, and the evolution are now very far aways, from this discussion.  But I still want to thank's  all the peoples who will stay constructive, and giving my apologies on Surfeur for what’s happening.

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Well, I won't pretend to speak for another user, but speaking for myself, Cyrille has it precisely CORRECT. How many times have I told YOU, Unicus, that you clearly don't understand what I am saying even though you claim that you do, and how many times have I told you you aree dead wrong in your presumptions.

I have done some research on the subject of the 'Vichy Regime'.  To compare a Frenchman to them is the same as comparing a Jew to the Nazis.  It serves no purpose other than to insult and offend.  To pretend otherwise is just ridiculous.

I should also point out that I was correct.  Cyrille was not aware of those statements and would not support them.

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Perhaps my sense of humor is sometimes far too subtle.

The fact that you think it is funny doesn't mean it wasn't offensive or insulting.

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I am also not appreciative even in general terms at your threat. And NO i will not throw a red mark your way, even though perhaps I should.

It wasn't a threat, it was a prediction.  Quite a few users expressed their outrage the last time you made those comments.  Is it really that big of a stretch to believe they will give 'red marks' should you do it again?

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And as I said from this users point of view, if Surfeur felt abused or bullied, he brought it on himself.

And from his point of view, he didn't bring it on himself.  Who's point of view should we accept?

Edit for a typo.  'Stretch' is not spelled with an 'a'. 

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Sometime I have regret to beginning this topic about the Idea to make a Working  group, This where just an idea, and the evolution are now very far aways, from this discussion.  But I still want to thank's  all the peoples who will stay constructive, and giving my apologies on Surfeur for what’s happening.

Do not regret starting this topic.  While it has gotten a little off-topic, it isn't your fault.  Even though it wasn't intended, this topic has perfectly illustrated the reason we need the Reputation System...nobody thinks they did anything wrong.

I do wish you luck with the translation of the rules.  It can only help.

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I claim to have made a prediction, in my view it is a trhreat, who's point of view should we accept?<shrugs>

Surfeur brings it on himself by his continued and focused complaining about the Rules at EVERY opportunity including in this thread. It get VERY VERY old. He has made his oppoosition very clear and also made it very clear that HE has the ONLY answer and THAT answer is NO rules for all intents and purposes.

Funny, I have disagreed with his opinion on quite a few occasions.  I have even told him that his constant complaining comes off as 'whining'.  I wonder why he doesn't feel abused and bullied by me?  Oh, wait.  Maybe it's because I never insulted him as a person?

I am, of course, making an assumtion that he doesn't feel bullied by me.  I will retract this statement should he tell me different. 

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It is a real SHAME that we are no longer allowed to express an opinion without being pounced upon by ummm I won't say it.

This is a huge red fish.  Nobody said you couldn't express your opinion.  You just have to express it in a civil manner.  Every professional forum I have been involved in has rules.  A Code of Conduct, if you will.  Invelos is no different.

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Fro your information you need to do some more research on the vichy regime and thje usage of the term , there ARE indeed orther meaning which were implied, but I prefer not to go into.

At the risk of getting a red mark, this is a cop out.  If I used a specific word towards a gay man, should I expect him to not take offense because it also means 'a bundle of sticks'?  Yea, I didn't think so.

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Please excuse me for voicing my opinion.

Again, a huge red fish.  It isn't your opinion that is the problem.  It is the manner in which you choose to express it that is the problem.

Btw, that was a general 'you' as we are all subject to the same rules.