Quoting skipnet50:

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Neill:

I prefer not to get into that history. I am willing when Yves is, which is true with everyone.

Skip

This seems like a bit of a cop-out, Skip.

You have no problem voicing your opinion normally.

Surely, it's not hard to pinpoint the moment when surfeur51 said something to you that was so horrible that it warranted an attack in return.

I'm trying to understand here.

If you don't want to type the offending comments then just point me to the thread and I'll read it for myself.

North:

Then you better start looking around, there will be a lot of apologizing to me, including from you, my friend. I have apologized any number of times, the fact that I didn't in this particular instance should tell you something. I am not afraid to apologize when I feel I am wrong, my father taught me that MANY years ago. And I will not be forced into an apology, if I have screwed up I will always offer an apology, if I don't then I clearly don't agree. I have twice apologized to Cliff for tripping over my own big feet, yet Cliff still feels obliged to hammer me at nearly every opportunity he gets, all the while ignoring the gross behavior of others.<shrugs> Sounds like a double standard to me.

Skip

WOW, it does seem like Skip is a target.  He has his opinion and he is entitled to it as is everybody else.  But when Skip voices his opinion he does become a big target.  Let's all walk a mile in someone else's shoes before we judge others.  I've been insulted before by many users in many forums but just learn to let it roll off your back.  Most of all Skip is right, treat people with respect,  or you can try to kill them with kindness.

Maybe we should give it a rest, again enough enough.

Quoting skipnet50:

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North:

Then you better start looking around, there will be a lot of apologizing to me, including from you, my friend. I have apologized any number of times, the fact that I didn't in this particular instance should tell you something. I am not afraid to apologize when I feel I am wrong, my father taught me that MANY years ago. And I will not be forced into an apology, if I have screwed up I will always offer an apology, if I don't then I clearly don't agree. I have twice apologized to Cliff for tripping over my own big feet, yet Cliff still feels obliged to hammer me at nearly every opportunity he gets, all the while ignoring the gross behavior of others.<shrugs> Sounds like a double standard to me.

Skip

Yes, I cetainly deserve this.

You have apologized to me once. Yet you continued to call me Cliffy despite my pleading for you to stop. You never learn and nearly never apologize.

You behave like a self-centered, bigoted jerk.

I haven't bothered to block you, until now.

You are not worth the high blood pressure.

Goodbye.

if that's the way you feel about it, Cliff, Fine. That is a very adult attitude.

If you don't like being called out on your own ill-behavior, Cliff, then you shouldn't worry about anyone else's

Skip

I read skips comment on the french as an ironic/sarcastic remark (revolution and recent mass strikes and so on). And did not read anything racist about it. A bit overly stated maybe but not racist.
This is due to the fact that the french are not a rase. But ofcourse I also understand that someone that actually is French could take it badly. I do understand that many of you find him argumentative and maybe rude, but this also is true for many of you that complain the highest about skip. Remember you have to be 2 or more, maybe we all should remember this.

Hope this is remotely understandeable for you all, remember english is my second language.

Going by the technical definition of race, 'black' Africans and Japanese Asians are the same race. The accepted definition of race as applied to humans is 'a collection of people united by common characteristics and heritage, including both physical and social characteristics'. Some definitions will use a specific nationality as an example (e.g. the Dutch). Some will even say that it can be defined as an ethnic group. I think racism is a perfect description.

Okay, I blew up a little. I was furious to see someone being jumped on for simply trying to present their case (in a very fair and honest way) and applied meaning to the race statement in the context of his recent reaction to the user (i.e. being nasty), rather than as a stand-alone statement. I'm sorry I used bad words, making such a fuss about it and brought down the thread.

I do not, however, believe that Skip's post (in it entirety) was appropriate, or that an acceptable response to someone saying that they are offended is to laugh at them. Even if no offense was intended, given that several people asked for an apology, is that really too much to ask for (even, 'sorry, I didn't mean to cause any offense')? Or is it okay to ignore them because they are ALL out to get him, and they ALL went for him first?

Please look at this thread for an example of what I see as a typical Skip transaction (first two pages only). I can only imagine that Skip's attack was provoked by the use of the word 'Skippy', as I can't see anything else in the thread of any possible offense. As is typical, no apology was forthcoming, despite the user presenting very clearly that no offense was intended, and apologizing if any was caused (twice!). Skip's retaliation crossed multiple posts, even after the first apology.

From what I've seen and from the comments from others, this is the typical start of all these tit-for-tats leading to anti-Skipism, and the reason that I at least am out to get him (which I have to admit, I am now). It IS a two-way street, and that means that Skip has to take his share of the blame.

In contrast to the above thread where the use of a name is the only cause for an outburst that I can see, consider surfur. I only know surfur's name because Skip uses it to refer to him, despite surfer never using his name on any posts - presumably skip got it from a PM. I've seen surfer ask Skip to stop using his name on a public forum several times, but Skip openly refuses. I can't see that as anything but deliberately trying to get at him.

This was my first interaction with Skip (possibly my very first post on the forum). I'm not the model of perfection in the thread, some of what I wrote could be taken badly, but it's a vary marked difference to my post the other day. That change is a product of trying to deal with what I think are varying degrees of bad posts on his part (this one being probably one of the lighter ones where I got involved) and his total brush-off of any criticism leveled against him (often implying fault in the other person for complaining). In this thread, people who have a history with him step in, but he quickly turns around and starts spreading his anger further a field (implying that the user asking the original question is a fool and/or idiot, and arguably implying the same about me for defending him).

Because I know that Skip will not address people with respect (even when he does not know them at all), because I know that he will continue to lash out at individual with no regard from how others might take it, because he will make jokes at people's expense without considering whether they will take it in good humour or not, I feel compelled to 'jump on him' whenever I see this behaviour. And I will (and have) done it with others - the difference is, they tend to respond positively. I have no problems whatsoever with Skip having an opinion - I only get involved when his attitude is a problem.

All of that being said, I do recognise that many people respond to Skips opinions, but I believe this is because they are often at odds with the majority of active forum members and are often poorly defined. I get fed up of being told (as a non-participant reader) that I'm too stupid to understand his argument and I think a lot of people push it because it winds them up. I think that a lot of it is brought on by Skip himself, because of the way he deals with other people.

Stuart

Quoting mdnitoil:

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I wouldn't get that worked up about this.  The only ones who defend skip are those who haven't been around long enough to know better.  If they hang out here 6 months to a year, he'll eventually offend them too.  He can't help it.

Thats not a fair statement either, I've been here for over 6 years and have had no problems with Skip, Ya he can be rude and blunt but thats just the way he is. But when we've disagreed we took it to PM. I'm in the forums every day but usually don't say much, because if it isn't Skip then some one else acting like a ASS. Maybe it because of me being in the Military for 25 years I've learned to except people as what they are and not what I want them to be.

Just remember it takes all kind to make the world go round, and you can't jump off. I think just about every one in these forums are guilty one time or another.


Larry