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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Patsa:
Follow the Rules not what you believe it should be. You people pushed to change the title from On Screen to Front Cover and now you have to pay the price. You are trying to insert information that is NOT called for in the Rules. This just ONE of the reason why I supported and still do using On Screen data but...so....
I must admit I do so enjoy ramming the majority's bad rules back down their throats, it was short-sighted at the time and I tried to explain all of that but as usual if Skip says it then it has to be bad, so live the fallout of your own decision.
Skip I've made my point many times over the years. The rules can, and will, never be able to handle every situation we have. The very nature of the creative process in making movies encourages the producers and writers to come up with ways to set themselves apart from the others. So, we need to be able to apply some common sense, which most members of this community are quite capable of, to get the DVD information into the database in a reasonable manner. A rule is only a rule until the exception is found. Then it is nothing more than a guideline. Continuing to apply a rule where it is not appropriate is folly and completely counterproductive. Now, here's the point. If you are really in this to be vindictive about a rule you disagree with, get the heck out of here! We don't need people doing this to the community. Every time you turn around, you are talking about how you don't want the ping-pong game to happen, and you are quite often the person firing the first volley. This community has tolerated your attitude quite long enough. Please go find a new hobby. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Jgilligan: And your definition of common sense is what exactly, I bet it will be different froim someone else's. Now get the heck out of here, especially if you refuse to follow the Rules. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: I am not here to make me happy. I am here to build a database. As for me, I'm here to be happy. DVds and movies are part of entertainment, to forget some of dramatic aspects of real life. dvdprofiler is part of the pleasure, and everything written in this topic makes me think I'm right to manage my own database ignoring the online one. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting jgilligan: Quote: ... Continuing to apply a rule where it is not appropriate is folly and completely counterproductive...
I'm happy to see that I'm not alone to think that, though writing the same thing earned me many flames... | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,672 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip,
While I agree with you on what the title should be according to the rules, you did make it sound like you made the contribution out of spite rather than out of a desire to follow the rules.
I hope that wasn't really your primary motivation? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Not at all, Gunnar, as I have said hundreds of times. I make my Contributions per the Rules whether I like the result or NOT. In this case NO I am not happy about it at all, but it is what the Rules now say to do and the BEST I can do is adjust the Original Title field accordingly. I will say that I am deeply amused and not at all surprised to find that those who wanted the Rule changed are now not pleased with the result. In the meantime my personal position rermains exactly what it was when this discussion canme up the last time, the ON SCREEN title and whatever it contains is the title is in my opinion the best answer. No spite at all, just amusement, I only go where the Rules and the data say to go. This also means I do not create fictitious data or bogus arguments to support unnecessary Common Names or whatever else we have, and this is why I have said before i don't comprehend the problems that everyone has. I see what the data says, and what the Rules say to do with it for Contribution purposes and I am fine with that. Unlike Yves and others I don't require that the Online mirror my preferences, I only require that MY data mirror my preferences, and if the Online does not mirror my particular vagaries, I can (1)not contribute the data or (2) contribute the data to the Rules and then reset it my way....no biggie.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree... the rules need to be followed for every profile... whether we agree with the rule or not. There is a lot of rules I don't particularly agree with... but hey... that is what locks are for.
There is no such thing as a rule that covers every situation. Every single rule is going to work for some (even most) titles... but no rule is going to seem right for every single title that exists. Does that mean we need an exception for every single rule?... no! It just means the online database will have to be strictly per the rules... and *gasp* we will have to change some stuff locally and lock them.
In this case the word Episode is not on the front cover... since the rules plainly states take the title from the front cover... the title can't have the word episode in it for the online database. In other words everyone just needs to accept that there will be stuff in the online database that some of us don't necessarily agree with. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,117 |
| Posted: | | | | Don't just do Star Wars II - if you want to be consistent, you should submit new titles for all six Star Wars DVDs to please the anal-minorities like myself. I thought we've been through this already in a thread last month discussing the same thing. I think Skip is doing it to prove a point about the extremes of the rules can be taken too; which is fine. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Wrong, Doom, I am working on ALL the title right now. Don't read any more into what I have said than is there. I am making no point, other than the MAJORITY was and is wrong, and now that they have gotten what they wanted they don't want to follow it. But all the title will be updated per the Rules
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: April 14, 2007 | Posts: 433 |
| Posted: | | | | Inconceivable! I noticed that Skip didn't submit a change for Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace even though he owns it in his collection. I wonder why? Is it because it's specifically used as an example in the rules using "Episode" in the title? Even thought on the cover there is no "Episode" listed anywhere on the front cover. According to the rule and the way Skip is using it, He should contribute it as Stars Wars I: The Phantom Menace, but he can't because it would contradict the example in the rules. So if the cover for Episode I doesn't include the word episode, yet Ken used it as a specific example in the rules, why isn't the rule, and based on the example in the rule, not being properly applied to the rest of the series by Skip? And we went through this with hal9g only 3 weeks ago. These crusades to show people how wrong the rules we all live by are getting old. | | | Chris |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | One more reason why this entire community and program have become ridiculously stupid. Everyone and their mother knows that the movie is called "Star Wars Episode II Attack of the Clones" (omitted punctuation aside). But we have to make things difficult, and change the title of the movie for absolutely no reason. | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Not true, Ross, there is a reason, the Rules were chnaged.
@Chris
Did you not read what I said. ALL titles will be updated. I happen to be working on the them now, its their turn in the rotation. It takes time because for some reason my original scans were lost in the move to #.x and I have to re-do each one of them, in addition to the audit. I have 6 down and three yet to do.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I also read this as applicable: “Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace".” I might very well be wrong but that seems to clearly state what the title of this movie is; I will therefore vote no for eliminating the episodic descriptors in the Star Wars saga. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy:
Please take note trhat the new Rule is highlighted, which means it was changed. The part you cite is not highlighted andtherefore has NOT been updated. To attempt to use that validate your position completes eliminates the Rule. As one place sayds to do this and another one says do something else.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,672 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy,
It does say that episode descriptors are part of the title, true. In this case, the episode descriptor is "Attack of the Clones".
It does not say to take episode descriptors from anywhere other than the front cover.
I think the example of multiple descriptors is a mistake, probably because Ken thought that the cover actually had the word "Episode". | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote: One more reason why this entire community and program have become ridiculously stupid. Everyone and their mother knows that the movie is called "Star Wars Episode II Attack of the Clones" (omitted punctuation aside). But we have to make things difficult, and change the title of the movie for absolutely no reason. It doesn't matter what the title of the movie is. It only matters what the title of the DVD is. In this case, Skip should have included the Original title. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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