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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | This very same horse was beat to death not 6 months ago in this thread/Poll  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
By their very nature a poll gives a range of answers - and what was needed was the single answer which had been agreed. To be honest that's what I was after but though I knew it had been discussed I didn't know it had been agreed! Quote:
Perhaps a better question to go with the poll would have been "What do you recall as being the result of the previous discussions re the source of the Production Year?" ... if i had known (and BTW still nobody has told me what has been agreed!) I sort of agree... though I bet if I had there would still have been different votes which would have meant, in essence, there was actually no agreement  Quote:
I hasten to add that you didn't upset me.. Good, it certainly wasn't my intention! | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
As to Martin and AESP's point that they don't agree with the Rule as written... well, yeah, I may not agree with it either but it IS the Rule so the only two options as I see it are the two interpretations I've laid out. This is not the first discussion about this field here : Change Production Year to Copyright Year and we are not the only one who don't agree with this rule. Sorry but production years means the year the movie was produce and not the year the movie was release. This is a case of badly written rule, even a non english native like me can understand that the way this field is use is not the corect one. Usually I agree with the rules, but not on this one since the name of the field and how it's explain in the rule are completly in oposition. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
This very same horse was beat to death not 6 months ago in this thread/Poll To be fair that's not what I asked though; I wasn't asking what the forums thought should be the Rule, but what the present interpretation of the Rule is accepted as... in this case the two are quite different. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
To be fair that's not what I asked though; I wasn't asking what the forums thought should be the Rule, but what the present interpretation of the Rule is accepted as... in this case the two are quite different. Say what? What is the difference between "what the forums thought should be the Rule" and "what the present interpretation of the Rule is accepted as"? There was no consensous in the last poll after 5 freakn' pages  , so what makes you think you'll get one here? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
This very same horse was beat to death not 6 months ago in this thread/Poll a) that was about a proposed rule change: I don't know if that proposal ever came to be, but in any case, Ken didn't do anything with it (yet). b) the results seem hardly conclusive either way (38 against 41 votes)... Voltaire53 is just enquiring about the CURRENT situation - what to do under the CURRENT rules... Edit: I see I took to long typing this... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting Voltaire53:
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To be fair that's not what I asked though; I wasn't asking what the forums thought should be the Rule, but what the present interpretation of the Rule is accepted as... in this case the two are quite different.
Say what?
What is the difference between "what the forums thought should be the Rule" and "what the present interpretation of the Rule is accepted as"? IMHO, there's a huge difference: there's quite a few users that have decided to stick with the copright date as seen in the end credits. While I certainly understand why, and while I might even support a rule change to that effect, it isn't what the rules tell us to do. So for now, that belongs local. Of course, most of the people here who always seem most concerned about following the rules to letter see no harm in contributing this little bit of data, even when it's a direct rules violation. Talk about double standards... Again: my interpretation of Voltaire53's question - please correct me if I'm wrong - is how to deal with this under the current rules. Not how some people choose to use this field locally... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
my interpretation of Voltaire53's question - please correct me if I'm wrong - is how to deal with this under the current rules. Not how some people choose to use this field locally... That was my intention, yes. The idea of using copyright date may have some significant support but is (as you say) directly in violation of the Rules so must/should be kept local until/unless Ken changes the Rules. I want to know how to interpret the Rule, as written at present, for the central database. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | As the rule is right now : My oppinion the Year of general release should be use
The rule is not practical as it is worded at this time for many reasons, but since it's not what you want to know I don't repeat myself |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
No, he didn't ask, he started a poll, north. Um, that is what a poll is.  From M-W.com: a questioning or canvassing of persons selected at random or by quota to obtain information or opinions to be analyzed. Back on topic... The rule reads: "Enter the year of the original theatrical release." Film Festival showings are not the same as theatrical releases. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I always use the year shown at the end of the film credits.
To me, it's the year it was produced/made and therefore = production year. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Personally, I always use the year shown at the end of the film credits.
To me, it's the year it was produced/made and therefore = production year. That would be absolutely correct for "production year." However, it's in violation of the rules, so don't contribute profiles this way. I wish this issue would be corrected. Simply change the label "production year" to "originally released". | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The rule reads: "Enter the year of the original theatrical release." Film Festival showings are not the same as theatrical releases. So, we leave the field empty for films which have not (yet) been released theatrically.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
This very same horse was beat to death not 6 months ago in this thread/Poll Woo hoo! Let's beat it again! Harder! Faster! Frankly, a limited release is still a release as far as I'm concerned. The line between general and limited is way too blurry to try to differentiate. Earliest public showing should do it, if we're not going to shift to copyrights (which have their own issues). | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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The rule reads: "Enter the year of the original theatrical release." Film Festival showings are not the same as theatrical releases.
So, we leave the field empty for films which have not (yet) been released theatrically. Blank for TV series as well! (strictly by the Rules) | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
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