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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting LDH: Quote: What happen to Episode I, you didn't contribute it Of course he didn't contribute Episode 1 because the Contribution Rules regarding titles specifically mentions Episode 1. Changing that title would just make him look like a fool, wouldn't it? "Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace"." | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 298 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: This thread illustrates exactly what I think about rules. The more complicated and precise they are, the more inaccurate they will be, as we'll always find examples where their strict application doesn't match the reason for which they were made. Exactly. There seems to be a great desire to manipulate the data to fit the "rules" in a large number of cases. If this is the case, then the "rules" need to be changed or ignored, not blindly followed with the result that rubbish is entered into the database. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | The contributions may follow the rules, but there is no rule that says that you have to make a contribution if you see something that does not follow the rules.
This, imo, is a case where everyone would be best served by turning a blind eye to what the rules dictate to have what everyone knows are the correct titles remaining in the database. | | | Andy
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Locked my Titles. Voted Neutral, but wondered whether there shouldn't actually be a colon between Star Wars and the roman numeral.... | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting LDH:Quote: What happen to Episode I, you didn't contribute it
Of course he didn't contribute Episode 1 because the Contribution Rules regarding titles specifically mentions Episode 1. Changing that title would just make him look like a fool, wouldn't it?
"Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace"." I most certainly did contribute Episode I. UPC 024543-023913. It currently has 14 'Yes' votes and 0 'No' votes. Apparently you have a different version. The problem with the part of the Rules that you have quoted is that in the first case (Star Trek), the "episode descriptor" is actually on the cover of the DVD and in the second case (Star Wars) it is not. When Ken changed the Rule to "Use the title from the front cover', he invalidated the second example, but apparently did not review all of the Rules to make them consistent with the new title Rule. I find it quite interesting that now that so many of you have gotten what you have been asking for, namely "Use the title from the cover" instead of "Use the title from the film's credits", all of a sudden it's not really what you wanted! That's the problem with arbitrary changes to critical fields in the database. Unforeseen consequences. This is what you all wanted. Don't blame me! | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: That's the problem with arbitrary changes to critical fields in the database. Unforeseen consequences.
This is what you all wanted. Don't blame me! I'll still take this over "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds copyright 1963". That was even dumber. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote: I voted yes, then loocked my titles to avoid accidently accepting this change Why haven't you voted neutral in that case? You are not obliged to vote. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote: Quoting LDH:Quote: What happen to Episode I, you didn't contribute it
Of course he didn't contribute Episode 1 because the Contribution Rules regarding titles specifically mentions Episode 1. Changing that title would just make him look like a fool, wouldn't it?
"Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace"."
I most certainly did contribute Episode I. UPC 024543-023913. It currently has 14 'Yes' votes and 0 'No' votes. Apparently you have a different version.
The problem with the part of the Rules that you have quoted is that in the first case (Star Trek), the "episode descriptor" is actually on the cover of the DVD and in the second case (Star Wars) it is not. When Ken changed the Rule to "Use the title from the front cover', he invalidated the second example, but apparently did not review all of the Rules to make them consistent with the new title Rule.
I find it quite interesting that now that so many of you have gotten what you have been asking for, namely "Use the title from the cover" instead of "Use the title from the film's credits", all of a sudden it's not really what you wanted!
That's the problem with arbitrary changes to critical fields in the database. Unforeseen consequences.
This is what you all wanted. Don't blame me! I don't nescesarily like the way you're going about it but point well made Hal. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. I don't know what to think anymore...this place makes my head hurt. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: That's the problem with arbitrary changes to critical fields in the database. Unforeseen consequences.
This is what you all wanted. Don't blame me! I'll still take this over "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds copyright 1963". That was even dumber. I believe there was only a very minuscule minority who actually interpreted the on screen credit to include anything beyond 'The Birds' in the actual film title. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
I don't nescesarily like the way you're going about it but point well made Hal. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
I don't know what to think anymore...this place makes my head hurt. I appreciate that 8Ball. The truth is that I hate the new Rule and think it was a mistake to change it. But certain voices screamed long enough and loud enough that this was "DVD PRofiler" not "Movie Profiler" and there you go. We now have "DVD Profiler" regardless of how non-sensical the title becomes. (I love the T2 thread). Sorry if it feels like I've used a sledge hammer to make my point. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Sorry if it feels like I've used a sledge hammer to make my point. More like a jackhammer at 5:00 am after a night of heavy drinking...but ok | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Sledge hammer sounds appropriate, but neccessary. You have graphically demonstrated what i have said , the ONLINE is never going to be and cannot be all things to all people the place for YOUR individual opinion is your LOCAL database. Nicely done, Hal. I hope people have learned a lesson.
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Nicely done, Hal.
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Sorry if it feels like I've used a sledge hammer to make my point. Point well taken...you could always withdraw your submission now! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Voted yes since it is as per rules... don't care if the title has episode or not so not sure if I will lock it or not. as for your comment about significant improvement... significant is very subjective... what is significant to one may not be significant to another... to me if any field is not as per rules and changed to per rules that is a significant change... size of contribution has nothing to do with it's significants. If the person who has submitted the change has already said that he is not keeping it himself - then that sounds like an insignificant change to me. You are correct that what is significant is subjective. But that shouldn't mean that we don't apply SOME sort of intelligence and/or common sense to this. | | | Paul |
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