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I guess I need to lock every title of my collection. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | And I was thinking that the most insane case of repeat profile update was the "Back to the future" boxset... 900 update for one profile It seems like a miss a lots of fun being late in the game |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
One of the most common issues that come up today is Sort Title, we used to have users trying to twist the database to their needs on a weekly basis, for example User A wants ALL his James Bonds to appear together, so he Contributes his sort title, and saets up James Bond 04 as a sort title INSTEAD of Thunderball, so now it meets his needs and next week User B changes it to something else. This went on weekly, we had one title that was edited over 900 times in the first FIVE years...ONE title. . Ken finally publicly said that Sort=Title Period, did that stop the nonsense...absolutely NOT. So, eventually Ken said "I ( not me) will handle the Online Sort,from now on Sort Title is your business". I know you love this example, but the problem with your James Bond example is the old guidelines allowed for entering a sort title so that films in a series would sort together. Part of the ping-pong problem was caused by other users not wanting them to sort that way, even though the guidelines allowed for it, and kept changing them back. So please, stop acting as if the people that were sorting series titles together were doing something wrong. That is revisionist history at best. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Again, you are reaching conclusions that simply are not supportable except in your own mind. I made no conclusion at al, I merely recited the facts of what kind of things transpired and in this regard you are correct it is that behavior that eventually led to the development of the Rules.You really need to try to stop reading something that does not exist, in an attempt to either be argumentative or embarass me, I don't know which. One you can do and the other there is no way.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | As I recall, the 900-times-contributed title was T2 and not any of the James Bonds, so there are apples mixed with oranges there. Yes, the main database serves as a starting point; however, if we start contributing junk that isn't part of the title, what communal purpose is served if most users then have to change the title? Get the title right. If there's a dispute, yield to the most voter-supported title. In my opinion, people that contribute quotes and pipes and bullets in the title field with no further proof than "it's on the screen and the cover" are maliciously tampering with the database for their own purposes and not for the purpose of contributing to a communal starting point. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Differing point of view, james. While I agree with some of what you have to say. My view of users attempting remove perfectly VALID data such as many possessives, note I did not say all or even most, are maliciously tampering with the database for their OWN purposes and that is simply unacceptable. it is BTW a starting point, communality has NOTHING to do with it. IF communality is the objective, then accuracy in ANY form is irrelevant and it is bogus to pretend otherwise. But then that has already been very graphically demonstrated.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | The first post in this thread by VibroCount dealt with a re-submission of Mr. Roberts with quotes around the title. Including quote marks around the title in Mr. Roberts is neither VALID nore useful. And it is of no matter if the quotemarks appear on the title card in the film or on the box cover. If anything is bogus, it's insisting that the quotemarks are necessary for accuracy. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 273 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote: ... Will I need to lock the title so I can find it in my database? You can also use the "Sort Title" field... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: That's okay, we've got a guy trying to suggest that the original title to "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" is really "4: Rise of the Silver Surfer", because it uses the Fantastic Four symbol in the credits and the only way to literally translate that symbol is with a number. FWIW the film was actually submitted to the BBFC by 20th Century Fox (who really should know) under the title 4 - Rise of the Silver Surfer AND that's how it appears in the credits so technically that is the official title of the movie. However the DVD has Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer on the cover so (as per the Contribution Rules when the DVD title is different from the film title) it should be: Title: Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver SurferOriginal Title: 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer (changing - to : as the DVDP mandated separator) Whether or not this would get Yes votes or be Approved is a question that can only be decided by empirical data! WRT quotes I believe they should only be included when they are actually within the title so (as presently and I believe correctly within the database) all the "Goodnight Sweetheart" entries omit them (they are used as an homage to the way " " were often put around titles in 40's films as we've seen above) so: Title: Goonight Sweetheart: The Complete Series One BUT for the complete collection the title is: The Complete "Goodnight Sweetheart": All six Series because the " " are around a specific part of the title inside the title as a whole. | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: FWIW the film was actually submitted to the BBFC by 20th Century Fox (who really should know) under the title 4 - Rise of the Silver Surfer AND that's how it appears in the credits so technically that is the official title of the movie.
However the DVD has Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer on the cover so (as per the Contribution Rules when the DVD title is different from the film title) it should be:
Title: Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer Original Title: 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer (changing - to : as the DVDP mandated separator) I have no explanation for why the English would be unable to determine the title, but the "4" seen in the film credits is actually the stylized circled 4 symbol, which represents Fantastic Four. Exactly like the stylized "S" on Superman's chest is a symbol for his name. Not surprisingly, this exact symbol is used extensively throughout the film. It's even part of the architecture of the roof of their headquarters. To display that symbol followed by a subtitle implies everything the symbol represents, not just the number 4. If they just wanted the number 4, they would have simply displayed the number 4. To extract the tiny piece of literal information from a symbol and suggest that it was the entire intent is disingenuous at best. The fact that there might be people who are completely baffled by the use of symbols is not at all surprising. Unfortunately, it's another flaw in our much vaunted rules that the number interpretation might actually be technically correct. EDIT - I meant to qualify all this with the statement that this is simply my opinion. To me it seems obvious, but it must not be or there wouldn't be any disagreement. Regardless, people will vote however they see fit and I'll contain myself to my local db. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Let me start off by first stating that I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party. I am not a subversive, nor am I a Database Terrorist as some in this thread would suggest.
I purchased Mister Roberts UPC# 012569-736351 on 10/03/07 and due to the woeful state of the existing profile I contributed an updated profile on 10/07/07 at 10:12 am PST. A big mistake…apparently.
In updating said profile I used the Contribution Rules and the existing previously approved profile of "Mister Roberts": Premiere Collection UPC# 085391-669227 as my guide. Another big mistake…apparently.
Obviously, this country bumpkin couldn’t tell what constitutes a title if it came up and bit him in the ass, as some would suggest.
Due to the public outrage expressed by a few of the more vocal users that frequent this forum, I have withdrawn said contribution and resubmitted sans the title change. Far be it for me to question the status quo. I’ll just go back to sitting in my rocker on the porch, sipping my cider and contemplate having my way with my cousin Betty Joe. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | @ mdnitoil I'm a bit confused by your reply to Voltaire53. In this particular case, the title: "4 - Rise of the Silver Surfer" came from 20th Century Fox, so it's they who are interpreting the symbol into a number, not us, so I would hardly call it disingenuous. I know it's a one-off and shouldn't be considered a precedent, but in this case it looks like the film-makes intended us to read the symbol as the number "4". | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: I’ll just go back to sitting in my rocker on the porch, sipping my cider and contemplate having my way with my cousin Betty Joe. That sounds like a much more worthwhile past-time... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: In updating said profile I used the Contribution Rules and the existing previously approved profile of "Mister Roberts": Premiere Collection UPC# 085391-669227 as my guide. Another big mistake…apparently. This title will be changed to remove the quotes per Gerri after the rules are updated (which will hopefully be soon) Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote: I declined the contribution [referring to a contribution where the quotes were removed] because as of right now, it is against the rules. The consensus appears to be that the rules should be updated. The rules will be updated and then the title can be changed.
-Gerri |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
This title will be changed to remove the quotes per Gerri after the rules are updated (which will hopefully be soon)
Karnac says.....TODAY. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: I purchased Mister Roberts UPC# 012569-736351 on 10/03/07 and due to the woeful state of the existing profile I contributed an updated profile on 10/07/07 at 10:12 am PST. A big mistake…apparently. The updated profile was exellent, with the sole exception of adding the quotes back in. The title was good, had been bad, and had been good before that. I was pleased to vote yes on your resubmitted profile, because it took a less-than-average profile to a state of very high quality. (This thread was not directed at you, but at everyone who battles to add stuff to titles which aids in rendering the database less useful. If we add every detail to every title, we wind up with titles like • 42nd Street • -- Which is difficult, because the database fails to recognize the bullet character...) | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I really hate to do this, Cliff but you really need to get a grip and try learning how to use substring filters, setting up sorts so they work the way YOU want and most importantly STOP worrying about whether the Online conforms to YOUR requirements and preferences, same goes for a LOT of other users. It really isn't that hard to comprehend. I am so happy to see we have so many users who were obviously so involved in the making of films that have a level of first hand expertise that allows them to reach unsupported and unsubstantiated conclusion about all kinds of areas...not just the title and what they BELIEVE constitutes the title. I don'thave that level of FIRST HAND expereience so I cna only deal wuith the data that is On Screen or the Cover, and maybe document it further via checking on the Copyrighted title. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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