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| Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
And you got your answer through the votes, didn't you Raymond. They resoundingly told you you were wrong. You could see this quite clearly by reviewing other titles inthe database.
Skip Skip, thats exaclty whats not going on: there is much variety in the way this is handled. I can't say this for R1 DVD's but most certainly for R2 DVD's (99% of my DVD's are R2). And as I stated in my OP, much voting variety aswell. | | | My DVD's
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can by the way very much agree with the objection to my contribution for "The Incredibles" R1: the rule of thumb that same lettertype / coloring of text implies that it cannot be separated from the synopsis. | | | My DVD's
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The catch is in the text and the font, for example there is a Reviewer' quote that tops the page in Yellow, then you have the Overview all done in the same text and font style. The paragraph you attempted to remove was part of the Overview and thus should have and did receive a ton of NO votes. Be patient with yourself it is a learning curve, if you have questions let me know. You beat me to the punch, I see.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | An overview is not only a synopsis of the film so the answer is the same as the one to your poll and that's the number one option (belongs to the summary). | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | I apparently own one of the DVDs you contributed to concerning this matter: The Village region 2 (NL). I voted NO, as you removed a correct part of the overview (same font as the paragraph you didn't remove). The bit you removed was not a review or tagline, and thus should not be removed (overview needs to match back cover exactly). Removing stuff like this is against the rules and even if it wouldn't be, it would only complicate matters as personal opinions start to play a role. | | | | . · You are my center when I spin away. Out of control on videotape. On videotape · . |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
thats odd, can you please come with constructive reasons as to why you are so convinced the rules are clear? You kind of contradict yourself by saying "for the most part".... When ambiguity arises it is mostly for a minority. Were it for the majority, it would have been so obvious that it would never have been excluded from the rules in the beginning 
I am convinced the rules are clear because in the 3 years since they were published we have almost no debates about how to enter the overview. A few questions, yes. But not debates. Around here that means the rules are clear. I included "for the most part" because there are some people who have questions. Additionally you simply can't have a rule for any area that will cover all instances we come across. I'm sure everyone can come up with an example of an overview that doesn't quite work within the rules. Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
I think it is self-evident that the rules are unclear: the massive amounts of yes/no votes speak for themselves. Saying R1 people adhere to the rules more strictly is pure speculation on your part. You are correct, it is pure speculation. I never claimed it to be anything else If you read my post again I said "it doesn't surprise me since it has been mentioned before". What's the point? IMO just because one person thinks a rule is unclear doesn't make it so. Even if dozens think it is unclear that still doesn't make it so. The track record for entering the overview is established as one of the least questioned and least debated areas of the rules. That, to me anyway, makes it clear. question is did I make myself clear   |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
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I think it is self-evident that the rules are unclear: the massive amounts of yes/no votes speak for themselves. Saying R1 people adhere to the rules more strictly is pure speculation on your part.
The vote today on your withdrawn submission for The Incredibles was quite clear. You were doing the same thing to it's Overview. When i voted No there were 2 votes For and many 10s Against. I suspect the For votes didn't verify what you proposed.
I don't think I quite follow you there, Tweeter.
Whats wrong with postponing those contributions because I want to start a post about it? Withdrawing the contribution to discuss was the right thing to do. Your post indicated "the massive amounts of yes/no votes speak for themselves" implying there was significant debate over the issue. I was simply observing that it wasn't a debate (for this disc anyway  ). The votes were overwhelmingly against the change. That's all. Cheers. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Aye Tweeter, true for that title. @lyonsden5 --> Its the least debated. ok. Maybe that says more about the level of debate for all the other rules  | | | My DVD's
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Herc: Quote:
I apparently own one of the DVDs you contributed to concerning this matter: The Village region 2 (NL). I voted NO, as you removed a correct part of the overview (same font as the paragraph you didn't remove). The bit you removed was not a review or tagline, and thus should not be removed (overview needs to match back cover exactly). Removing stuff like this is against the rules and even if it wouldn't be, it would only complicate matters as personal opinions start to play a role. Apparently the contribution I stated in my quote got approved (and I accidentally accepted it). I find this strange - it's clearly against the current rules, but Ken/Gerri still accepted it, regardless of my NO-vote explanation. Obviously the last word on this has not been said yet. | | | | . · You are my center when I spin away. Out of control on videotape. On videotape · . |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
So the general rule would be to only exclude non-value text IF it is printed in another font / type?
And what about the titles with nothing but non-value text as some people already presented above? The only really solid prohibition on what to include has to do with pull quotes (quotes from reviewers and newspapers, etc.) that are broken out and usually in a highlighted or larger font, but clearly separate from the main body of the overview. Such quotes within the text body are OK. Don't automatically reject text that is in a larger font or a different color, etc., because sometimes it is actually part of the overview. You can usually tell by reading it closely to see if it is in context with the main body of text. | | | John
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting RaymondG:
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So the general rule would be to only exclude non-value text IF it is printed in another font / type?
And what about the titles with nothing but non-value text as some people already presented above?
The only really solid prohibition on what to include has to do with pull quotes (quotes from reviewers and newspapers, etc.) that are broken out and usually in a highlighted or larger font, but clearly separate from the main body of the overview.
Such quotes within the text body are OK.
Don't automatically reject text that is in a larger font or a different color, etc., because sometimes it is actually part of the overview. You can usually tell by reading it closely to see if it is in context with the main body of text. Now that's the first usable answer I had on this one sofar. Muchas Gracias! I consider the matter closed to me now. After seeing all the replies I had and the feedback from the contributions I got a pretty good idea on how to handle this from now on. Thanx everyone. | | | My DVD's
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