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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said 6 posts previous, the vast majority of that profile count is from variations of the Back to the Future films. If you ignore the variations and look at the credits counting each film or TV show once each, then that count is a lot closer if not the same. Then, accounting for where he is incorrectly credited (copied from IMDb), the Tom Wilson credit just edges it.
The fact remains that his current credits and apparently for the last 10 years and the name on his Official website is Tom Wilson. If we use Thomas F. Wilson I'm fairly certain that we'll have to use "Credited As" for the foreseeable future because I can't see him reverting to a name that he stopped using 10 years ago.
Again, someone show me a screen-grab from recent years that show him as Thomas F. Wilson and I may feel differently.
IMO There is no logical reason to use Thomas F. Wilson. | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
IMO There is no logical reason to use Thomas F. Wilson. IMHO, the "logical reason" for using Thomas F. Wilson is that we should only use birth years as a last resort. Here we have a perfectly acceptable alternative, which also happens to match with some of his most "high-profile" credits. It's not like using Thomas F. Wilson is far-fetched in any way: with the 'Back to the Future' movies among the Thomas F. Wilson credits I think it's safe to say that quite a lot of us already have that credit in our database. In my own local database, I have seven Thomas F. Wilson credits, against just one Tom Wilson credit, so for me, the choice seems pretty obvious anyway. But apart from that I still feel that if there's an obvious alternative available that keeps us from having to use birth years, we should use it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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IMO There is no logical reason to use Thomas F. Wilson.
IMHO, the "logical reason" for using Thomas F. Wilson is that we should only use birth years as a last resort. Here we have a perfectly acceptable alternative, which also happens to match with some of his most "high-profile" credits. It's not like using Thomas F. Wilson is far-fetched in any way: with the 'Back to the Future' movies among the Thomas F. Wilson credits I think it's safe to say that quite a lot of us already have that credit in our database. In my own local database, I have seven Thomas F. Wilson credits, against just one Tom Wilson credit, so for me, the choice seems pretty obvious anyway. But apart from that I still feel that if there's an obvious alternative available that keeps us from having to use birth years, we should use it. I don't understand why birth years should be the last resort? By using it we can use the name on his official site and the name that he will be using for future credits and the last 10 years of credits. | | | | Stuart |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
I don't understand why birth years should be the last resort? I seem to remember Gerri posting something to that effect - I believe that was about a case where we could either use birth years, or a Jr./Sr. suffix to distinguish between a father and son with the same name. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | The difference between using the "F." or a BY is that the initial is actually part of his name and already helps us to distinguish him from others. Only if we not use that initial we need a BY. That seems pretty unnecessary if you ask me. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
As I said 6 posts previous, the vast majority of that profile count is from variations of the Back to the Future films. If you ignore the variations and look at the credits counting each film or TV show once each, then that count is a lot closer if not the same. Then, accounting for where he is incorrectly credited (copied from IMDb), the Tom Wilson credit just edges it. Gadgeteer: Please let me reiterate: Thomas F. Wilson: 129 TITLESTom Wilson: 113 TITLES - and most of these are NOT our "Tom Wilson". That's titles, not profiles. Back to the Future counts as 3 films here. One for each film. | | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHFactor: Quote:
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As I said 6 posts previous, the vast majority of that profile count is from variations of the Back to the Future films. If you ignore the variations and look at the credits counting each film or TV show once each, then that count is a lot closer if not the same. Then, accounting for where he is incorrectly credited (copied from IMDb), the Tom Wilson credit just edges it.
Gadgeteer: Please let me reiterate:
Thomas F. Wilson: 129 TITLES
Tom Wilson: 113 TITLES - and most of these are NOT our "Tom Wilson".
That's titles, not profiles. Back to the Future counts as 3 films here. One for each film. I understand that, but of those TITLES, the BTTF films are duplicated many times over, so they add to the count many more than just 3 TITLES (Different editions and foreign title variations) | | | | Stuart |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
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As I said 6 posts previous, the vast majority of that profile count is from variations of the Back to the Future films. If you ignore the variations and look at the credits counting each film or TV show once each, then that count is a lot closer if not the same. Then, accounting for where he is incorrectly credited (copied from IMDb), the Tom Wilson credit just edges it.
Gadgeteer: Please let me reiterate:
Thomas F. Wilson: 129 TITLES
Tom Wilson: 113 TITLES - and most of these are NOT our "Tom Wilson".
That's titles, not profiles. Back to the Future counts as 3 films here. One for each film.
I understand that, but of those TITLES, the BTTF films are duplicated many times over, so they add to the count many more than just 3 TITLES (Different editions and foreign title variations) Okay, here are the movies/tv shows according to the credit look-up tool that Tom Wilson (1959) appeared in: Atlantis: Milo's Return Batman: TAS Bound By Honor (Blood In Blood Out) Freaks and Geeks Gargoyles: Season 1 Gargoyles: Season 2, Vol. 1 Girl Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector Lois & Clark: New Adventures of Superman Season 4 Mr. Write Sabrina the Teenage Witch: Season 1 SpongeBob SquarePants: The Complete 2nd Season Superman: The Animated Series - A Little Piece of Home Superman: The Animated Series Volume One That Darn Cat Titus: Season 3 Two and a Half Men: The Complete First Season Zoom: Academy for Superheroes Total: 18 Now here are the movie that Thomas F. Wilson appeared in: Action Jackson Andersonville April Fool's Day Atlantis: Milo's Avontuur (Atlantis: Milo's Return) Back to the Future Back To The Future II Back to the Future III Batman: The Animated Series: Volume Two Bound By Honor (Blood In Blood Out) Born To Be Wild Camp Nowhere Girl Knight Rider: Season Two Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman: The Fourth Season The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie Stripperella: Season One Superman: The Animated Series - A Little Piece of Home Superman: The Animated Series - Volume 1 That Darn Cat Zoom: Academy for Superheroes Total: 20 I'm sure you notice some duplicates in there and the reason is because the credits are NOT correct in the database. Someone along the line submitted the wrong information and didn't follow the "Credited As" rule, but instead used IMDB.com to submit their info. One way to fix is, is to correct the credits and re-submit them. Until then this discussion using the credit tool will go nowhere. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
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It looks like it's going to be a close poll. We need 1 name or the other so I think it's best if we put a definitive deadline for the result. Say 72 hours after it started. Unless there's any serious objection we should use the leader of the poll at 15:21 GMT tomorrow (3rd Oct). Any ideas on what to do if it's a draw? I've wondered if it would be an idea to have a Name jury made up from a few people from different countries to decide on names. It might be better than swamping the forums with hundreds of name polls. | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it's a draw, I think the best bet is to use the number of titles from the credit lookup tool.
It might not be completely accurate but at least it'll give us an Invelos database derived answer.
Any other ideas? | | | | Stuart |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Edit: Because the poll is so close and we need to decide on one name or the other, a deadline of 72 hours from the start will be applied. So the leader of the poll at 15:21 GMT on the 3rd Oct should be the name to use.
In the event of a draw we should use the Invelos database credit lookup as the decider, based on the number of titles. In former times we used the persons homepage to track down its name. Why does this not apply in this case? Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
If it's a draw, I think the best bet is to use the number of titles from the credit lookup tool.
It might not be completely accurate but at least it'll give us an Invelos database derived answer.
Any other ideas? Can't agree on that approach. All examples I've researched with the credit lookup tool so far, lead to the IMDB Style of the name, regardless of any other sources. If we raise this tool to a decisionmaker we can use IMDB (lookup is faster  ) the same way. I don't think this raises the quality of the DB. Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | My suggestion is to start going through the profiles he is in verify the credit. If he is credited as Tom Wilson use Tom Wilson (1959) and for the ones listed as Thomas F. Wilson use the credited as feature, so it would look like Tom Wilson (1959)[Thomas F. Wilson], when you do the contribution. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eagle61397: Quote:
My suggestion is to start going through the profiles he is in verify the credit. If he is credited as Tom Wilson use Tom Wilson (1959) and for the ones listed as Thomas F. Wilson use the credited as feature, so it would look like Tom Wilson (1959)[Thomas F. Wilson], when you do the contribution. Sure thing, Eagle. That doesn't show any bias at all. The other half of those voters would suggest this: If he's credited as Thomas F. Wilson, then credit him as such. If he's credited as Tom Wilson, then use the credited as feature to credit him as Thomas F. Wilson [Tom Wilson]. How's that? | | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHFactor: Quote:
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My suggestion is to start going through the profiles he is in verify the credit. If he is credited as Tom Wilson use Tom Wilson (1959) and for the ones listed as Thomas F. Wilson use the credited as feature, so it would look like Tom Wilson (1959)[Thomas F. Wilson], when you do the contribution.
Sure thing, Eagle. That doesn't show any bias at all. The other half of those voters would suggest this: If he's credited as Thomas F. Wilson, then credit him as such. If he's credited as Tom Wilson, then use the credited as feature to credit him as Thomas F. Wilson [Tom Wilson]. How's that? I don't think so. Even you said to go by credits on this forum posting After all you did say, "The official site is wonderful for deciding what he WANTS to be called, but worthless for what his credits actually say... and here the rules say to go by the end. credits. ONLY." So if people did the Tom Wilson (1959) contribution they are going by the end credits ONLY. I'm going by the end credits, which is not bias at all, since it is there on the screen. Going by what you prefer, which is what you are doing, seems a little bias to me. For example here is the credits from Zoom, which you recently changed to Thomas F. Wilson [Tom Wilson]:  Is this going by the credits only? And just for the record, here is a still from the movie showing Tom Wilson's scene:  | | | We're on a mission from God.
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