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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
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...this one is removing the Disc IDs and replacing them with Box Set Contents when No Other Locality has.
No... it's not... and to elaborate... It's only adding DiscId to the Box set field. Not removing anything. BTW. It's UPC 5-039036-013031 for those that want to check it out themselves. I see nothing wrong with that contribution as long as nothing is removed from the parent profile. | | | 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well... since I do not have the title in question I can not see what is actually being changed/added/removed... but we have 1 person saying something is being removed... and 2 people saying nothing is being removed. So I can't say there.
But the one thing I can say... is for TV Series... it really don't matter what the Box Set Rules say... as the TV Series has it's own section of rules that they follow. And another thing you have to remember is it don't matter what is in other localities... the only thing that matters is if the contribution is following the Contribution Rules.
This is still a right new rule... only almost 5 months old... there is no way all the TV Set profiles will be fixed to the new rules yet. I do know for US R1 TV Series... there is a lot of series with the IDs in the Boxset Content Field... and there is a lot of series that is not done yet. But the rules say to add them to the Boxset Content Field. So it belongs there. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
Quoting snarbo:
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...this one is removing the Disc IDs and replacing them with Box Set Contents when No Other Locality has.
No... it's not... Seconded. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
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...this one is removing the Disc IDs and replacing them with Box Set Contents when No Other Locality has.
No... it's not...
and to elaborate... It's only adding DiscId to the Box set field. Not removing anything.
BTW. It's UPC 5-039036-013031 for those that want to check it out themselves.
I see nothing wrong with that contribution as long as nothing is removed from the parent profile. Thanks... to satisfy my own curiosity I downloaded the profile. It is ONLY adding the discs to the box set content and correcting the numbering format of cast and crew to match the poll ouitcome for it. It is in no way removing any data or doing anything at all wrong... it is definitely a good contribution and should be voted yes on. You ask since when is TV Series a boxset... Officially... since April 4th when Ken put into the rules to do so. Sorry Snarbo... your no vote IS wrong. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | No vote changed to Neutral.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why neutral? It's following the rules. You don't want child profiles for this title? Neither do I. I simply don't download them. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin Coed: Quote:
Why neutral? It's following the rules. You don't want child profiles for this title? Neither do I. I simply don't download them. voting neutral is perfectly valid. It is expressing an opinion. the point of voting is to express an opinion. If voting is purely something which is governed by the technicality of the change - i.e. if a change appears in line with the current rules and this then pre-determines the vote - then there is no point in voting. Ken/Geri have already said that they take account of voting to see what people think of the rules and if there should be changes. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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Why neutral? It's following the rules. You don't want child profiles for this title? Neither do I. I simply don't download them.
voting neutral is perfectly valid. It is expressing an opinion.
the point of voting is to express an opinion. If voting is purely something which is governed by the technicality of the change - i.e. if a change appears in line with the current rules and this then pre-determines the vote - then there is no point in voting.
Ken/Geri have already said that they take account of voting to see what people think of the rules and if there should be changes. I beg to differ. I believe you should express your opinion on whether 1. The change is correct, as far as you know. 2. The change follows the rules. If you don't like the change for personal reasons, even if you reckon it's correct and follows the rules, my suggestion is: don't vote at all.  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | But that's what the neutral vote is for - it removes the submission from your list of pending updates without you having to vote yes or no. Snarbo had every right to vote neutral - we all do! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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Quoting Kevin Coed:
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Why neutral? It's following the rules. You don't want child profiles for this title? Neither do I. I simply don't download them.
voting neutral is perfectly valid. It is expressing an opinion.
the point of voting is to express an opinion. If voting is purely something which is governed by the technicality of the change - i.e. if a change appears in line with the current rules and this then pre-determines the vote - then there is no point in voting.
Ken/Geri have already said that they take account of voting to see what people think of the rules and if there should be changes.
I beg to differ. I believe you should express your opinion on whether
1. The change is correct, as far as you know.
2. The change follows the rules.
If you don't like the change for personal reasons, even if you reckon it's correct and follows the rules, my suggestion is: don't vote at all. So as far as you are concerned our opinions shouldn't be used when we are judging changes?? Why have voting? Shouldn't we have a single person look at the contribution - decide if it follows the letter of the contribution rules? If so - wouldn't that make it a compulsory change to be applied. Lets get rid of all the boring voting - it gets in the way of accuracy. Or did you have some other point to voting? In which case what would that be (since according to your rules everybody must vote the same or get banned for voting incorrectly). | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
So as far as you are concerned our opinions shouldn't be used when we are judging changes?? Yes, absolutely, unless it's a case if interpretting what a Rule means (or deciding if a scan is 'improved' or not) it doesn't matter whether you agree or not with an update so long as it is by the Rules. Quote:
Why have voting? Shouldn't we have a single person look at the contribution - decide if it follows the letter of the contribution rules?
Because it is better to have 10 people (who probably have the title in their collection for reference) check for accuracy than put the burden on one person who has no reference copy to hand. It's like sending a document round a department for review before having the boss sign it off to go to the customer. The boss (who may not even be technically capable of critiquing the contents) relies on experts in his/her department to tell him if the document is fit for purpose and then just does a cursory check incase something has been missed so doesn't waste their time trying to do it themselves. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
But that's what the neutral vote is for - it removes the submission from your list of pending updates without you having to vote yes or no. Snarbo had every right to vote neutral - we all do! I see. So it's more kind of "I'll pass". | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
So as far as you are concerned our opinions shouldn't be used when we are judging changes??
The point is: *what* are we exactly voting on? On whether you like or dislike the change for whatever personal reasons? No, I don't think we are voting on that. I understand we should only vote on the basis of: 1. does the change follow the rules? (even if you don't agree with that specific rule). Yes or No? Whenever a rule is not very clear, you can espress your opinion on what the correct interpretation should be (and say why). 2. is the change "right"? If the change is a mistake, like changing to the wrong type of case, or submitting a sloppy scan in place of a good one, or spelling "Marlowe Brando" instead of the famous actor... then you can say No! Quote:
Why have voting? 'cause it's fun? Just kidding. Quote:
Shouldn't we have a single person look at the contribution - decide if it follows the letter of the contribution rules? Nope! Only if you own a DVD you can check what is written on the cover. Only if you watch a movie you can say what the film credits are... and so on. Besides, whenever there is space for interpretation, I like best that the community of DVDP users has a say on that, not just one person. Having said that, I think it is still wrong to vote No if it's clear, and you know it, that a change is "legal", id est follows the rules, and if it is "right", but you don't like it for other reasons. Just my 2 cents. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | All you have to do is look at the rules for voting (in the contribution rules) and see that you vote in according to whether or not the contribution is correct according to the rules... not if you personally like the data or not. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Steve:
You're barking up the wrong tree. Everything I have read on this indicates the user HAS done it properly and you are in error.
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