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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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Manually check the running time on each episode, add them together, and then resubmit - that's the way to do it... 
Agreed that's the best way.
Still, 528 Mins. is based on the "22 Mins. per episode" on the box. Yes... but the rules state that if you don't get it off the box to do an accuarte total.. what you did is took their approximate time and multiplied it by the number of episodes. since 528 isn't on the box and what you did isn't an accurate account as per the rules... that could be a reason for the decline. So boils down to it looks like it is either the genre change, the running time change or both that caused your decline. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
that doesn't matter... everyone has there own opinion... and the rule is there so that there isn't constant ping ponging of contributions.
So unless it is so completely wrong that it is laughable... such as having horror or war or something like that it must be a local only change.
I read a different meaning in the rules. Id est, you should not change Genres if it's the *only* update you are doing, unless Genres is blatantly wrong. But it wasn't the only update.  Quote:
So you tried it... and it sounds like the screeners (Ken and /or Gerri) disagree with you.... that it isn't blatantly wrong... so that info shoulld stay local only.
You are right, it sounds like the screeners disagreed with me. No problem, I will resubmit leaving Genres as it was, then I will change it locally, as I don't want Friends to be listed as Drama in my local database. Quote:
Since you asked my opinion I personally don't think romance or drama is a very good fit... and would personally leave it at Television and Comedy.
That was my first choice. Quote:
But don't think either would be so wrong as to contribute a change.
So, the first contribution is always right. Hmmm... | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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that doesn't matter... everyone has there own opinion... and the rule is there so that there isn't constant ping ponging of contributions.
So unless it is so completely wrong that it is laughable... such as having horror or war or something like that it must be a local only change.
I read a different meaning in the rules. Id est, you should not change Genres if it's the *only* update you are doing, unless Genres is blatantly wrong. But it wasn't the only update. Possibly... but I believe (read it that) they mean that they don't want any non-blatantly wrong updates. Quote:
So, the first contribution is always right. Hmmm... Where did I ever say that... as I said... if it is blatantly wrong... then it can and should be changed... but everyone has their own opinions and you will always find someone that disagrees with your choice. So as long as it isn't blatantly wrong it genre change should be local only. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can view the decline reason, maybe by clicking on the contribution? I don't have any declinded contributes on my history so I can't see how exactly to do it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | yes in the contribution list you can see declined reasons... they have a lot of reasons... but there is still a lot of times when you don't get a reason (none of the automated reasons fit). So this isn't always the case. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
everyone has their own opinions and you will always find someone that disagrees with your choice. Actually there was just one No vote, it was because of the Genres, but after discussing it by PM he said he will vote Yes if I resubmit. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | remember.... these updates are only up for vote for 2 to 3 days (currently)... that don't mean everyone that has the title seen your submission and agrees. So in other words... you put in the change... it gets accepted... a month later someone sees it... disagrees with you and they change it to what they want.. this can go on forever... so with the rule there we shouldn't have that problem... if it isn't blatantly wrong change it locally only. keeps thje ping pong submissions down. and simple to follow. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
remember.... these updates are only up for vote for 2 to 3 days (currently)... that don't mean everyone that has the title seen your submission and agrees. So in other words... you put in the change... it gets accepted... a month later someone sees it... disagrees with you and they change it to what they want.. this can go on forever... so with the rule there we shouldn't have that problem... if it isn't blatantly wrong change it locally only. keeps thje ping pong submissions down. and simple to follow. Ok. I still think that Drama is not the best pick there, but I can't honestly say it's "blatantly wrong" as Western or Horror would be! Still, I wonder what are votes for, if they can't decide on what Genres are spot-on? | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
You can view the decline reason, maybe by clicking on the contribution? Nope!  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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remember.... these updates are only up for vote for 2 to 3 days (currently)... that don't mean everyone that has the title seen your submission and agrees. So in other words... you put in the change... it gets accepted... a month later someone sees it... disagrees with you and they change it to what they want.. this can go on forever... so with the rule there we shouldn't have that problem... if it isn't blatantly wrong change it locally only. keeps thje ping pong submissions down. and simple to follow.
Ok. I still think that Drama is not the best pick there, but I can't honestly say it's "blatantly wrong" as Western or Horror would be!
Still, I wonder what are votes for, if they can't decide on what Genres are spot-on? From the way I read it in the rules.. voting is for helping the screeners to see if the contribution is following the rules... as the voting section says you should always vote within what the rules say. It says nothing about using voting to decide on things such as correct genre selection. You have to remember... the screeners do not have all the titles available to personally check if a contribution is following the rules correctly. So they need to depend on us a little to be sure that the rules are truly being followed. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
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You can view the decline reason, maybe by clicking on the contribution?
Nope! As I said above... they don't have automatic decline reasons for everything yet... so sometimes you will still see declines without reasons. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
From the way I read it in the rules.. voting is for helping the screeners to see if the contribution is following the rules... as the voting section says you should always vote within what the rules say. It says nothing about using voting to decide on things such as correct genre selection.
You have to remember... the screeners do not have all the titles available to personally check if a contribution is following the rules correctly. So they need to depend on us a little to be sure that the rules are truly being followed. Let's take a for instance... Let's say I contribute 'My Fair Lady' as Comedy (it is), Romance (there is some), and Family (sort of!). That wouldn't be "blatantly wrong", would it? Yet, if I later changed to Musical - Classic - Comedy (as it actually is now), would someone speak out against the change?  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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From the way I read it in the rules.. voting is for helping the screeners to see if the contribution is following the rules... as the voting section says you should always vote within what the rules say. It says nothing about using voting to decide on things such as correct genre selection.
You have to remember... the screeners do not have all the titles available to personally check if a contribution is following the rules correctly. So they need to depend on us a little to be sure that the rules are truly being followed.
Let's take a for instance...
Let's say I contribute 'My Fair Lady' as Comedy (it is), Romance (there is some), and Family (sort of!). That wouldn't be "blatantly wrong", would it?
Yet, if I later changed to Musical - Classic - Comedy (as it actually is now), would someone speak out against the change? There is no way of knowing if anyone would speak out against the change. but I can say for certain that I am sure there is people out there that would say what is currently on there is a better fit... a change to a genre that is not blatantly wrong I don't see as being supported by the rules. I am not going to sit here and argue with you on what genres should or should not be listed (especially on a movie I have never seen in my entire life like "My Fair Lady".) as everyone has there own opinion on what genre a movie/show is. and you say this quoting what I said about voting from the rules... so that also has me right confused as I have no idea what genres has to do with voting rules. Bottom line is you will never be able to get everyone to agree on every genre no matter how hard you try... which is one of the reasons for not changing genres unless they are blatantly incorrect. as it says in the genre rules... If your personal preference for Genre differs from the main database, you can store the information you prefer in your local database and lock the Genre field from further updates. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another probable reason the Time is "approximate" is NBC used to "super-size" episodes, running them 40-45 minutes, usually during sweeps months. Some of those episodes are likely longer than the default 22 minutes.
That's why you unfortunately have to load the discs to check. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gtweeter: Quote:
Another probable reason the Time is "approximate" is NBC used to "super-size" episodes, running them 40-45 minutes, usually during sweeps months. Some of those episodes are likely longer than the default 22 minutes. I am not sure the extended episodes were included as such in the European edition. Quote:
That's why you unfortunately have to load the discs to check. I did the manual check. It turns out the episodes are even shorter than expected, a total 505' (504' 57"), roughly 21' per episode, as opposite to the 22' on the cover back. It's a R2 PAL edition. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | If that is the case and you checked every episode and added all the lengths together and came out to be 505 then why in the world did you not upload that information stating that you added all episodes together and submit the accurate running length instead of uploading 528? Sorry but that makes no sense to me... you see the accurate length is 505 but you upload 528.  | | | | Pete |
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