Quoting Spartacus:

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How many cases there are when exactly the same movie have differences in cast and crew when it is released on DVD on different locations? I think there is none, because if there are changes it obviously isn't the same movie anymore. In case you are referring some Director's Cut or Extended Editions which may have differences in different market areas, or cases like Stanley Kubrick's The Shining: they are clearly different version of the movie, thus needing of course own entry in database.

The idea to have common cast&crew credits for a movie already came up years ago in the old Intervocative forum. I wrote a rather detailed proposal there myself, and the idea has also been mentioned in the Feature request forum on the new Invelos site. I hope Ken will implement this one day, it would make things much easier for us users.

However, there are more cases with local cast&crew credits than you might think. Just to give you another example: Most animation films (Disney, Pixar etc.) use the multi angle feature for the credits in European releases. Depending on the language you selected, the credits are shown in the Original version (with the original speakers credited) or the localized version (with the local speakers credited).

Ken would have to find a solution for this, which IMHO is certainly possible.

Good point: the animated films really have localized credits in many cases. In those cases, if there is no better solution, it's always possible create new profile for different localities.

I still think this problem is possible to solve in some way, thus making the database much more user friendly in both terms of reliability, usability and number of bytes.

Quoting TigiHof:

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Adding another thought that just occurred to me: If Ken decided to merge the cast&crew lists of all profiles for a movie to a single list, from which profile should he take the list ? Can you imagine the discussions that would arise ? Boy, that would be fun...

Like the rules say: As credited... Is it really a big difference which profile is used, because in most cases there is no difference in cast & crew -information. Special cases (animations etc...) are different thing and they should be handled in some way. And of course it's always possible to start cast & crew -database from the scratch, like Invelos database was created couple of months ago.

Quoting TigiHof:

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Adding another thought that just occurred to me: If Ken decided to merge the cast&crew lists of all profiles for a movie to a single list, from which profile should he take the list ? Can you imagine the discussions that would arise ? Boy, that would be fun...

But this would be a short time pain instead of incomplete and differing profiles living until eternity...

Regards, AA

I think this just moves into a different question: What do you prefer, an incomplete and possible inaccurate profile, or no profile at all ? I would still prefer the incomplete/inaccurate data than no data at all. And in my case of copying from elsewhere, the inaccurate/incomplete data would already be there in the first place, so it's not like I'm further poluting the database.
This is especially true for small Localities such as the Netherlands. If you really demand from all contributers that they get their cast & crew from the credits, rather than copying them from elsewhere, I think we won't see many updates anymore.
The only thing that I do see, is that for people who are keen on (and have the time for) accurate data, it may be worth knowing whether the data in a profile is submitted by a die-hard who spent hours, or by a casual user who just copied the data. In the latter case, he would probably still go through the trouble of verifying everything in the profile, something he would not do if he knew the submission was already done by a die-hard.
(I wonder how Wikipedia handles this, because there the only way to know something is accurate is also if you know the subject well enough and read the article from start to finish).

I usually copy the cast and crew from an existing US or UK profile and then use the DVD credits to verify all entries. Most older movies then need quite a bit of modification as the credits were taken from a third party source instead of the DVD itself. And even newer movies need (minor) corrections, as there will always be a typo or two in the list ...

Herc:

It would require more than some work, it would require a total top to bottom of restructure of the database...don't count on it.

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More particularly, small localities are at a huge disadvantage since there are far fewer people contributing. I have numerous DVDs for which it even looks I'm the only DP user who has it, since everytime I correct something I get 0 votes on them.
A nice feature would be to be able to see how many DP users have a certain DVD. It would also immediately disclose any obsolete profiles that are not used by anyone (i.e. submissions with wrong UPC or Locality).

I'd love that feature as well as a few discs I've put in in my months here on Pro have no votes, and a few others weren't even in the base to begin with. These are all lower budget US flicks on R1 dvd to boot.