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My Tombstone Submission - Check this out |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote: Who decides the data is bad? I don't know where the existing profile came from either, but apparently,it got enough votes to approve it. If the existing profile is good enough for the online database, then it should be good enough to act as a baseline for changes.
You and Skip are creating these arbitrary rules that would require any submissions to go above and beyond reasonable validation. I think anyone reading these forums (and my contribution notes) can conclude:
There was misinformation in the existing profile An attempt was made to correct the profile The changes in the submission had the least impact to the database without sacrificing accuracy
For example, if I followed Skip's suggestion to change the First/Middle/Last name fields, someone else who has Gary Clarke linked to another DVD would have been up in arms because Gary Clarke was no longer linked to his role in Tombstone.
You guys are artifically creating a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Did you read the existing notes? The cast and crew were not voted on by anybody. It was submitted, and accepted, during the initial contribution process. As for the rest, I addressed that in my statement to James. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | Based on a comment in this thread, Unicus, I don't think you really have a leg to stand on. Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: Hey rick: Whyy do you try and counter this with "A" list personalities. go try it with some lower level personalities and then we MIGHT begin to understand.
Talk about your basic red herring. i just love the way you people treat someone who disagrees with you.
Skip
Actually Gerri seems to think I have a pretty good handle on the whole situation.
Quoting Gerri Cole:
Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: people seem to be all hung up on just what the "correct" common name will be. All the common name does is link multiple entries together. As has been pointed out numerous times it doesn't even have to be a name, it can be a number.
If we decide it's not Ron Howard or Ronny Howard but simply "Thatkidfromandygriffith" then that would work.
I couldn't have said it better myself! You are exactly right.
-Gerri
I'll trust her opinion over your's any day.
Oooo - an edit: I see you're once again thaking a cheap shot at those who seemingly don't do as much as you Nice move. Wonder if Profiler Plus will finally have the ignore feature |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Perhaps, but at least it makes them accurate to that film. Leaving them as is makes them accurate to what? I don't know where the original credits came from so I have no way of knowing whether or not they are correct. Using the credits to change a common name is not sufficient proof though. The credited name could be inaccurate as the common name. It's just changing data for a false sense of accuracy. Quote: The standard for credits is the profile must match the end credits UNLESS the actual name is different. Well, I see not documentation that the actual name is different than what is in the credits so I have to vote 'no'. You are requiring documentation for a change that the user didn't make. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: I also voted 'no'. You audited a profile where the credits in the profile did not match the end credits. I don't know where those credits came from but they did not follow the rules. Rather than correct the credits to ensure that they matched the end credits, you left the bad data and changed the data in the 'credited as' field. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in my book. He did cite the fact that he was entering Gary Clark from the film's credits into the "as credited" field. That was the only field he changed for that credit. He did not change the "Name" field at all, so why would it be necessary for him to document that it is the correct "Name"? These are two separate and distinct fields that can be entered totally independently. If you only change one of them, you should only be required to document that one. He did that! | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | Tombstone DVD: $19.99 DVD Profiler: $24.99 Proving Skip wrong: Priceless |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't have Tombstone to vote on this... Looking at a quick search on the name gave me both a Gary Clark and a Gary Clarke.
There is...
Gary Clarke - Actor in Tombstone Gary Clark - Actor in Edward Scissorhands
Not to mention several Gary Clarks that would be in crews... but that wouldn't effect the actors. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote: Based on a comment in this thread, Unicus, I don't think you really have a leg to stand on. I have two perfectly good legs to stand on, thank you very much. The fact that you don't agree is besides the point. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: I also voted 'no'. You audited a profile where the credits in the profile did not match the end credits. I don't know where those credits came from but they did not follow the rules. Rather than correct the credits to ensure that they matched the end credits, you left the bad data and changed the data in the 'credited as' field. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in my book.
He did cite the fact that he was entering Gary Clark from the film's credits into the "as credited" field.
That was the only field he changed for that credit. He did not change the "Name" field at all, so why would it be necessary for him to document that it is the correct "Name"?
These are two separate and distinct fields that can be entered totally independently. If you only change one of them, you should only be required to document that one. He did that! That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. My opinion, however, is a tad different. The rules say to copy the end credits exactly. The rules also say, "Use the "As Credited" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name." We do not know that that is the case here. You guys are assuming, because someone entered it that way, that it is correct. Well, that is not good enough for me. The standard is the credits UNLESS you can document that it should be different. That wasn't done here so it gets a 'no' vote. You don't have to agree, but that is how I read the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: I also voted 'no'. You audited a profile where the credits in the profile did not match the end credits. I don't know where those credits came from but they did not follow the rules. Rather than correct the credits to ensure that they matched the end credits, you left the bad data and changed the data in the 'credited as' field. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in my book.
He did cite the fact that he was entering Gary Clark from the film's credits into the "as credited" field.
That was the only field he changed for that credit. He did not change the "Name" field at all, so why would it be necessary for him to document that it is the correct "Name"?
These are two separate and distinct fields that can be entered totally independently. If you only change one of them, you should only be required to document that one. He did that!
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. My opinion, however, is a tad different. The rules say to copy the end credits exactly. The rules also say, "Use the "As Credited" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name." We do not know that that is the case here. You guys are assuming, because someone entered it that way, that it is correct. Well, that is not good enough for me. The standard is the credits UNLESS you can document that it should be different. That wasn't done here so it gets a 'no' vote. You don't have to agree, but that is how I read the rules. No, I am not assuming anything. Whether the original "Name" entry is right or wrong is not the issue. The current contributor did not contribute that data. I am stating that he did not change the field in question, therefore, there is no requirement to document an unchanged field. He documented the field he changed. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Let's take a hypothetical.
User X makes a contribution for 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly' to add the Original Title ('Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo) which is currently blank.
This is the only change submitted by user X to the profile.
When you go to review the contribution, you notice that the "Title" field says"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". Clearly a capitalization error.
Would you vote "No" on the contribution? | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
No, I am not assuming anything. My mistake then. Quote: Whether the original "Name" entry is right or wrong is not the issue. For me, that is the issue. Quote: The current contributor did not contribute that data. Doesn't matter...at least not to me. He made a change to that actor entry, so his change must follow the rules. The rules say to copy it exactly as it is in the credits unless the actor's name is different. He didn't document that the actor's name was different so it must match the end credits. Again, that is how I read the rules. Quote: I am stating that he did not change the field in question, therefore, there is no requirement to document an unchanged field.
He documented the field he changed. As I said, that is not how I read the rules. I guess we will have to agree to disagree and let Gerri make the final decision. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | You have corrected the as credited to match the credits and documented it. That's fine.
However, you have also added a common name entry. That also requires documentation. Moving the old credited as to common name is not good enough on it's own.
I would have voted no on this submission. | | | Stuart |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Let's take a hypothetical.
User X makes a contribution for 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly' to add the Original Title ('Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo) which is currently blank.
This is the only change submitted by user X to the profile.
When you go to review the contribution, you notice that the "Title" field says"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". Clearly a capitalization error.
Would you vote "No" on the contribution? Pick a different hypothetical...I don't vote on "Original Title" changes. If you are trying to see whether or not I am consistent in my stance, all you have to do is go back and look at the thread concerning single quotes in the overview. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | So your interpretation of the rules would require erroneous, unsubstantiated data?
If I had created a brand new actor entry for Gary//Clark, I would have seen just as many people voting against the profile for not using the "Credited As" feature.
If existing profile data can't be used a baseline for updates; then the database is worthless. We might as well go back to version 2.x, turn of the Credited As field, say screw the linking; and have each profile be an island unto itself. | | | Last edited: by Leiterfluid |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Doesn't matter...at least not to me. He made a change to that actor entry, so his change must follow the rules. The rules say to copy it exactly as it is in the credits unless the actor's name is different. He didn't document that the actor's name was different so it must match the end credits. Again, that is how I read the rules.
But the "Name" in the existing profile was different from the "as credited" name, therefore it meets the requirement of the Rule and he should "use the "as credited" field. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Let's take a hypothetical.
User X makes a contribution for 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly' to add the Original Title ('Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo) which is currently blank.
This is the only change submitted by user X to the profile.
When you go to review the contribution, you notice that the "Title" field says"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". Clearly a capitalization error.
Would you vote "No" on the contribution?
Pick a different hypothetical...I don't vote on "Original Title" changes. If you are trying to see whether or not I am consistent in my stance, all you have to do is go back and look at the thread concerning single quotes in the overview. Hmmm...that's a bit of a cop out. The hypothetical was merely to illustrate two other "related", yet totally independent fields. There is no requirement to correct and/or document one, just because you are submitting the other. | | | Hal |
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