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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Did that already got this type of rebutals from five members:
Existing information from the FRONT cover is Correct
The rear cover is never used...
Existing edition is correct
Front cover does not list that Edition.
Front cover should be used
So please reread my opening question above to verify this complaint .
 And all those comments were correct Terry.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry - I got confused by the 5 UPCs - so you're saying that you're only changing the 2 profiles have only have the title on the front cover?
If that is the case, then yes, you are allowed to add "Widescreen Edition" as an edition to those 2.
I wouldn't touch the other ones though.
Skip, I see what you mean about the title comment now, but I was only talking in context of the examples given, so didn't mean that we did that all the time. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Sorry - I got confused by the 5 UPCs - so you're saying that you're only changing the 2 profiles have only have the title on the front cover?
If that is the case, then yes, you are allowed to add "Widescreen Edition" as an edition to those 2.
I wouldn't touch the other ones though.
Skip, I see what you mean about the title comment now, but I was only talking in context of the examples given, so didn't mean that we did that all the time. North  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't own these, but are any of the Universal Legacy Series single disc non-special editions? If not, then that description (Universal Legacy Series) alone would be enough to distinguish it from any other edition of the film. If there are single and double disc editions of a Legacy Series title, then I think it would be appropriate to add that information.
Generically, the edition information has traditionally been "front cover" only, however, the rules do not make this distinction. The voters are voting no based on a "forum convention" and not an explicit prohibition of edition information coming from only the front cover. Having said that, I refer to the first paragraph, and I would not combine edition information from the front and back unless there is a need to distinguish different Legacy Series editions. Were I to be voting on one of these contributions, I'd vote no based on the edition information from the front is enough.
The titles you have listed with no edition information on the front cover, you would be within the rules to add information from the back. Not sure it is needed, but like the hundreds of "Widescreen Collection" discs with no other version available, I would not vote no on this. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | If they are voting no based on forum convention, then they are voting in error.
We vote according to what the rules say, not what is decided in these forums unless that comes from Ken himself.
If it is meant to be the front cover only, it needs to say that in the rules. Until that point of time, all the people voting no because it is not on the front cover are violating the rules themselves. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... | | | | Last edited: by NewEnglander |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I couldn't find a contribution for 'The Sting' but here is my take on the ones I did find.
Double Indemnity: Universal Legacy Series (025192907821) - 'Universal Legacy Series' is on the front, '2-Disc Special Edition' is on the back. You are trying to change it to 'Double Indemnity: Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition'.
While the rules are silent on this point, I believe the front cover should take precedence. I know why you removed 'Universal', the field is too short, but I would not leave it out.
To Kill a Mockingbird: Legacy Series (025192786624) - 'Legacy Series' is on the front, 'Special 2-Disc Edition' is on the back. You are trying to change it to 'To Kill a Mockingbird: Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition'.
Front and back 'editions' will fit, my only issue is you didn't copy the back portion exactly.
The Deer Hunter: Legacy Series (025192797620) - 'Legacy Series' is on the front, '2-Disc Special Edition' is on the back. You are trying to change it to 'The Deer Hunter: Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition'.
As I said earlier, the rules are silent on this point. Since both 'editions' fit, I wouldn't vote 'no' as it doesn't violate the rules.
Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth (024543050094) - Nothing on the front, 'Widescreen Edition' on the back. You are trying to change it to 'Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth: Widescreen Edition'.
Again, the rules don't say 'where', on the case, to take the edtion from so this is a valid addition. A 'no' vote on this would be a vote based on 'personal preference'.
North to Alaska (024543075578) - Nothing on the front, 'Widescreen Edition' on the back. You are trying to change it to 'North to Alaska: Widescreen Edition'.
Again, the rules don't say 'where', on the case, to take the edtion from so this is a valid addition. A 'no' vote on this would be a vote based on 'personal preference'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I couldn't find a contribution for 'The Sting' but here is my take on the ones I did find.
Double Indemnity: Universal Legacy Series (025192907821) - 'Universal Legacy Series' is on the front, '2-Disc Special Edition' is on the back. You are trying to change it to 'Double Indemnity: Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition'.
While the rules are silent on this point, I believe the front cover should take precedence. I know why you removed 'Universal', the field is too short, but I would not leave it out.
To Kill a Mockingbird: Legacy Series (025192786624) - 'Legacy Series' is on the front, 'Special 2-Disc Edition' is on the back. You are trying to change it to 'To Kill a Mockingbird: Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition'.
Front and back 'editions' will fit, my only issue is you didn't copy the back portion exactly.
The Deer Hunter: Legacy Series (025192797620) - 'Legacy Series' is on the front, '2-Disc Special Edition' is on the back. You are trying to change it to 'The Deer Hunter: Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition'.
As I said earlier, the rules are silent on this point. Since both 'editions' fit, I wouldn't vote 'no' as it doesn't violate the rules.
Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth (024543050094) - Nothing on the front, 'Widescreen Edition' on the back. You are trying to change it to 'Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth: Widescreen Edition'.
Again, the rules don't say 'where', on the case, to take the edtion from so this is a valid addition. A 'no' vote on this would be a vote based on 'personal preference'.
North to Alaska (024543075578) - Nothing on the front, 'Widescreen Edition' on the back. You are trying to change it to 'North to Alaska: Widescreen Edition'.
Again, the rules don't say 'where', on the case, to take the edtion from so this is a valid addition. A 'no' vote on this would be a vote based on 'personal preference'. Actually Unicus, you are wrong, there is only ONE version of JTTCOE, so there is no need to distinguish the title from anything PER THE RULES. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Actually Unicus, you are wrong, there is only ONE version of JTTCOE, so there is no need to distinguish the title from anything PER THE RULES.
Skip Now why would you go and misrepresent the rule like that?  From the rules: The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). PER THE RULES, it isn't just to distinguish the title from anything. It is ALSO for indicating special versions and collections. 'Widescreen' and 'Full-Screen Edition' are examples given in the rules so your argument falls flat. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | "and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title."
I don't consider it a misrepresentation. We are allowing Editions, even though I don't like it personally, that are not really distinguishing from another release, but this is from the BACK cover and there is NO other release which the title needs to be distinguished from.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK,, I see and partially agree with all you say.. But I Guess what I really wanted to accomplish is the Fact that the Front Cover of another DVD could say Widescreen Special Edition 2 Disc Director's Cut and IT WOULD be accepted as dist trait because it is on the front cover.,
YET if a series such as Legacy Series is just that, a director's cut and special edition widescreen variations over a previously release title. So if you Did not know anything about Legacy Series you would have no idea what that series gave us. Now with all that same information on the back cover, the rules simply said :
Edition ( or Trait title)
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
I'm sure the marketing department doesn't care where this info is marked front cover or rear cover,, but can't it be used for the dist trait. I mean we all like to know if our editions are two disc or one disc without expanding that title on page. Or when you are looking up a title in the data base to know which edition is the Best without second guessing what Legacy means.
Plus there is a plethera of Paramount Widescreen Edition DVD's that are just that widescreen only and no Pan and Scan. Yet we allow that, ,why? oh yeah becasue it is on the front cover.,
BUT Rules don't exactly say that- they only imply that TITLE only be taken from front Jacket.
The names i.e. 2 disc and special edition and collectors edition and widescreen are never part of the title. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
"and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title." That portion doesn't mean there has to be another version. That is just how you are interpreting it. If I remember correctly, we had this argument before and your interpretation lost. I believe it was Paramount's 'Widescreen Collection' that brought it up last time. Quote:
I don't consider it a misrepresentation. We are allowing Editions, even though I don't like it personally, that are not really distinguishing from another release, Yes, we are allowing them so this is no different. Quote:
but this is from the BACK cover and there is NO other release which the title needs to be distinguished from. The rules say it must come from the case. They say nothing about front or back. That is a personal preference that you, and a few others, are trying to impose on the db. Spin it however you want, it doesn't change the fact that your position isn't supported by the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hey, don't beat on me, Unicus. Others have been ALLOWED to spin and rationalize. So can I.  At least I don't use logic of convenience. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Hey, don't beat on me, Unicus. Others have been ALLOWED to spin and rationalize. So can I. Not beating on you. Just pointing out that you are voting based on a personal preference. If you want to be a hypocrit, that is up to you. Quote:
At least I don't use logic of convenience. Was that supposed to be some kind of accusation or insult? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
OK,, I see and partially agree with all you say.. But I Guess what I really wanted to accomplish is the Fact that the Front Cover of another DVD could say Widescreen Special Edition 2 Disc Director's Cut and IT WOULD be accepted as dist trait because it is on the front cover.,
YET if a series such as Legacy Series is just that, a director's cut and special edition widescreen variations over a previously release title. So if you Did not know anything about Legacy Series you would have no idea what that series gave us. Now with all that same information on the back cover, the rules simply said :
Edition ( or Trait title)
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
I'm sure the marketing department doesn't care where this info is marked front cover or rear cover,, but can't it be used for the dist trait. I mean we all like to know if our editions are two disc or one disc without expanding that title on page. Or when you are looking up a title in the data base to know which edition is the Best without second guessing what Legacy means.
Plus there is a plethera of Paramount Widescreen Edition DVD's that are just that widescreen only and no Pan and Scan. Yet we allow that, ,why? oh yeah becasue it is on the front cover.,
BUT Rules don't exactly say that- they only imply that TITLE only be taken from front Jacket.
The names i.e. 2 disc and special edition and collectors edition and widescreen are never part of the title. Terry: With ONE single exception that I am aware of. The changes you are trying to make represent fundamental changes from what is written on the front cover. The reason: is because you want it a particular way and there isn't room for all of what you want. Such as your blatant removal of Universal from one Legacy Series, despite the FACT that is right there on the cover. Hollywood marketing does NOT respond to what we want them to do, we can only deal with what they give us for data. Would I like to be able to go to Hollywood and grab some execs by the throat and try to persuade them to give us consistent data in all respects...sure but they aren't going to do that and we have to live with it. You want it your way....you know the answer. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
wouldn't dist trait mean either front or back where the Title is front only?? YES. Ignore the shrapnel. As a point of reference, 20th Century Fox often puts the edition of "Widescreen Edition" on the back. It's OK to take it from the box as the rule says. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we are going to go this route, then why wouldn't someone be able to take "Widescreen" from anywhere on the back cover, like the features area where it might list "Anamorphic Widescreen".
If they can do that, why can't they take some other verbiage from the back cover and claim that it is an "Edition"?
I really do not like where this is headed, although I do see that the Rules are silent on the issue.
Perhaps, we need to add a limitation that the Edition must come from the front cover only. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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