I am not, Achim. You also miss my pont, What Ken does is what he will do and that is fine. However there is a certain level of reality, that needs to be recognized. I make no judgement nor do I pass any personal opinion I might have about Microsoft and their dominance. I am only trying to pass on a little bit of business REALITY, I doubt seriously that Ken will make any attempt to support every possible OS that is out there, were I in his chair I would not. Regardless of what I think, the fact is that Microsoft has the dominant OS. I would have to do an analysis, but the right now is supect that such an analysis would tell me the ONLY realistic system outside of Microsoft would be the IPhone, but we are a long way from being able to be certain about that, the US version of the IPhone has some issues, which by my understanding of Telephony laws elsewhere, might not be a problem in at least SOME International versions. Apple has a habit of being neraly as arrogant as Sony, we will have to wait and see. Regardless of whatever I might think of this idea on its merits, from a business viewpoint I would consider it highly unlikely, its that simple.

This particular forum is not a place where I will express my opinion, all that often, but there is a certain level of reality. We still get requests for a Mac version after nearly 8 years, I think the reality is that if we were going to have a Mac version it would have happened long ago, so I give it long odds and getting longer everyday. Again, this is regardless of whatever my personal opinion might be.

Skip

John, Achim I agree with you both on all points.

Let's try again just for the bush kangaroo.

The US is so far behind in the mobile industry it is almost comical, so whether Symbian is big there or not is irrelevant as it is not in any way due to demand, but due to not having the technical infrastructure to support the newest devices - the devices that are more and more dominated by Symbian.

The worldwide mobile market is dominated by GSM networks using 900MHz and 1800MHz, with 3G now quickly replacing/supplementing it. The USA and Canada however used iDen and CDMA, and now they are moving to GSM it is to the non-standard GSM1900 frequency. They also have a very slow 3G take-up for a developed country. As an example of this the iPhone is only 2.5G technology for the US, but will be 3G when it comes to Europe.

The other important factor is the market penetration. Again the USA is lagging far behind the key markets. 70% compared to over 100% in europe.

In terms of mobile phone technology, the USA is not leading anything. Symbian not being big in the USA is just case of the market still trying to catch up to make it viable, rather than a rejection of the technology.

You know something, lopek. I don't issue personal insults...until you do first. You really need to stop ingnoring your doctor. What a jerk. Do you even know how to be polite anbd carry on a conversation, this actually applies to johnd as well

Keep your invectives and insults to yourself.

Skip

I am saying keep your stupid personal issues out of here. Whatever your problems are YOUR problems. If you can communicate in a polite manner, fine. If not SHUT UP, you stupid git.

Skip

Quoting skipnet50:

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I am saying keep your stupid personal issues out of here. Whatever your problems are YOUR problems. If you can communicate in a polite manner, fine. If not SHUT UP, you stupid git.

Skip

He didn't Skip, YOU brought his personal issues into here, he didn't. YOU also started the insults by claiming he wasn't "intelligent enough" to understand the situation.
So how about YOU start communicating in a polite manner? You never know, you may find that others follow suit.

Good plan!

Symbian have a really good site here, with what looks like a good developer area.

From their Fast Facts page:

Shareholders:
Ericsson (15.6%), Nokia (47.9%), Panasonic (10.5%), Samsung (4.5%), Siemens (8.4%) and Sony Ericsson (13.1%)

Licensees:
Mobile phone manufacturers that have shipped Symbian smartphones in Q1 2007 are Fujitsu, LG Electronics, Motorola, Mitsubishi Electric, Nokia, Samsung, Sharp and Sony Ericsson

15.9m Symbian smartphones shipped by licensees in Q1 2007.

126 million cumulative Symbian smartphone unit shipments

At 3GSM in February 2007, Telefonica Móviles España, T-Mobile and Telecom Italia announced their choice of a platform based on Symbian OS1. They join Vodafone, Orange and NTTDoCoMo in sharing the benefits of reduced time to market for new service delivery, scalability, and cost reduction.

Symbian smartphone OS share for Q1 2007 is 72%, according to Canalys.

and specifically regarding the USA:

May 2007 - Nokia N75, available from AT&T, is the first Symbian 3G handset to be offered by a US operator " April 2007 - Nokia N95, available from Nokia Experience stores in New York and Chicago and other major US retailers

Symbian manages partnerships with over 100 US companies, including IBM, McAfee, Oracle, RIM, Symantec, SlingMedia, Yahoo! (Yahoo!Go launched with AT&T)

16% of Symbian applications commercially available in Q1 2007 were developed in the US representing the largest Symbian application development region.

Cheers!

A bit more info regarding volumes that I have just come across from here:

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LONDON (Dow Jones)--Microsoft, Tuesday said it plans to double the number of mobile phone software licenses it sells worldwide to 20 million in fiscal-year 2008, as it takes on rivals Research In Motion and Symbian.

The Redmond-Washington-based software giant said it is gaining market share in the mobile phone software market and expects that, as the handset market advances, computer applications and Internet services will become more important for both business users and consumers.

Speaking to Dow Jones Newswires Tuesday, Microsoft's Senior Vice President for Mobile Communications Pieter Knook said that the company expects to double the amount of phone devices using Microsoft's Windows Mobile software to 20 million worldwide in the fiscal year 2008, starting July 1.

So the currently supported Windows Mobile currently ships ~10 million devices per year, compared to 15.9 million from Symbian in just the last quarter!

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... but that's 10 million Americans.    That in itself means it's worth 10 to 15 times that amount 

Oh yes, sorry. Silly me for being a dumb old brit! 

Or did you mean the OS are "worth" 10 to 15 times the amount, as MS (over)charges that much for the them?