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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 24 |
| | Posted: | | | | I got exactly the same reason for decline when contributing couple of new profiles. Twice. And after that I was banned for 24 hours, so I wouldn't just contribute the same profiles again as someone here suggested. At least remove (uncredited) actors, if there happens to be those. Seems like it is quite unlikely to get new profiles accepted in case there are uncredited actors included. Even though exactly the same (uncredited) ones exist in hundred other profiles in database (same title with different locality / different region)...  My contributions had nothing to do with IMDB, I don't even know what kind information IMDB offers for movies in question. In some (rare) cases it really is exactly the same as in film credits, so it should be no reason for decline. Quote:
One this that is wrong here is the reason for decline:
The contribution notes indicated a valid source for the changes, but the contents of the changes appear...
JaLe's contribution was new, so how can there be any "changes". That's something I'd like to know too... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Spartacus: Quote:
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One this that is wrong here is the reason for decline:
The contribution notes indicated a valid source for the changes, but the contents of the changes appear...
JaLe's contribution was new, so how can there be any "changes".
That's something I'd like to know too... We know that the screeners (assuming its not just Geri) are now looking for detailed notes about where items are being found (and we were warned that there would be more declines for this reason). Additionally since they are now giving more details about why contributions are being declined I would guess that they have a few different text options to select as the reason for the decline - and this is just one text option - they aren't typing text in each time. This was the closest that they wanted to use and it just happens to include the word changes. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jykke: Quote:
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Cast and Crew from film credits.
Other specs from discs and movie.
I think that this implies that you have taken other specs (not cast/crew) from the disc and have taken the cast / crew from another source.
You just need to reword this to make clear that you picked up all details from the version of the film on the dvd.
How can you say any better that cast and crew are NOT from another source? I read this as other specs are from discs and movie - which meant that cast & crew were not from film on disc. And these should be taken from there as well.. The problem is the word 'other'. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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Cast and Crew from film credits.
Other specs from discs and movie.
I think that this implies that you have taken other specs (not cast/crew) from the disc and have taken the cast / crew from another source.
You just need to reword this to make clear that you picked up all details from the version of the film on the dvd.
How can you say any better that cast and crew are NOT from another source?
I read this as other specs are from discs and movie - which meant that cast & crew were not from film on disc.
And these should be taken from there as well..
The problem is the word 'other'. Excuse me, but maybe you once again missed the first sentence from JaLe's contribution notes. I repeat it here again: Cast and Crew from film credits. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jykke: Quote:
Excuse me, but maybe you once again missed the first sentence from JaLe's contribution notes. I repeat it here again: Cast and Crew from film credits. I do't hink Paul missed the first sentence. What I think what Paul is saying is that it might not be clear to the reviewer that the cast/crew came from the film credits ON THE DVD. I would have worded this as "cast and crew from film credits on the DVD and other specs from discs and movie." | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe what we need is a list of standard phrases for contributions, preferably from a drop-down or tick list, just like the reviewers are using in their rejections.
This would help in particular those of us for whom legalese English is not the mother tongue. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | I really would say you don't require legalese English to provide sufficient notes. I think Gerri has even stated it doesn't have to be perfect English so long as she can get the gist of what's being said.
I'm not currently inputting cast & crew when doing new entries, but here's an example of notes from a recently accepted entry.
Confirmed as R2/Single layer with DVDInfo Pro & IFO Edit
SRP/Release from Amazon/Play
All other information from disc/cover
If I was doing the cast/crew I would add a note to state these have come from the film credits. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
I really would say you don't require legalese English to provide sufficient notes. I think Gerri has even stated it doesn't have to be perfect English so long as she can get the gist of what's being said.
I'm not currently inputting cast & crew when doing new entries, but here's an example of notes from a recently accepted entry.
Confirmed as R2/Single layer with DVDInfo Pro & IFO Edit
SRP/Release from Amazon/Play
All other information from disc/cover
If I was doing the cast/crew I would add a note to state these have come from the film credits. ... as long as you specify that it's the film credits from the film on the DVD, which is what apparently triggered this discussion. You can't be too careful. | | | | Hans | | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
... as long as you specify that it's the film credits from the film on the DVD, which is what apparently triggered this discussion. You can't be too careful. Nope I've used from the film credits in the past without problems. I'm far more inclined to believe this is one of the occasional mistakes the screeners make and that we don't need to over analyse the situation. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
I'm far more inclined to believe this is one of the occasional mistakes the screeners make and that we don't need to over analyse the situation. You're probably right about this. Maybe we are over-analyzing things. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 315 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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I'm far more inclined to believe this is one of the occasional mistakes the screeners make and that we don't need to over analyse the situation.
You're probably right about this. Maybe we are over-analyzing things. On the DVDProfiler forum? You surely kid, sir.  | | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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Excuse me, but maybe you once again missed the first sentence from JaLe's contribution notes. I repeat it here again: Cast and Crew from film credits.
I do't hink Paul missed the first sentence. What I think what Paul is saying is that it might not be clear to the reviewer that the cast/crew came from the film credits ON THE DVD.
I would have worded this as "cast and crew from film credits on the DVD and other specs from discs and movie." Thank you - at least 1 person understood the point I was making. The wording implied a different source for the two sets of credits. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
Confirmed as R2/Single layer with DVDInfo Pro & IFO Edit
SRP/Release from Amazon/Play
All other information from disc/cover
If I was doing the cast/crew I would add a note to state these have come from the film credits. yes - but a lot can depend on the order of the sentences. Adding a note at the end saying that you are using the cast/crew from the film credits is different from saying taking the credits from the film and then (next sentence) taking the other information from the disc. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 129 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Thank you - at least 1 person understood the point I was making. Considering that not everybody is a proficient native writer of English, such [small] semantical points may not really warrant rolling eyes, disgust or reprimands. Conservative about ones own utterings, liberal against others - shouldn't that be our motto? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Quoting Lithurge:
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Confirmed as R2/Single layer with DVDInfo Pro & IFO Edit
SRP/Release from Amazon/Play
All other information from disc/cover
If I was doing the cast/crew I would add a note to state these have come from the film credits.
yes - but a lot can depend on the order of the sentences. Adding a note at the end saying that you are using the cast/crew from the film credits is different from saying taking the credits from the film and then (next sentence) taking the other information from the disc. I stand by my point you're over analysing it. The natural conclusion when saying film credits is to think the DVD. Otherwise you're suggesting Gerri thinks they sat in the film theatre/watched it on TV etc... and wrote the credits down, used that to add to Profiler and then added everything else from the dvd. Even then it isn't a natural conclusion to think that they are incorrect credits. And yes I am aware they can vary occasionally. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 115 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll try to rephrase my contribution note and give another try. |
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