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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DaMikstar: Quote:
You asked in the opening post about one movie in different versions in one set, tarantino answered to that! I think he, me and all will agree that an edition like the "Alien Quadrilogy" should be a boxset with child profiles, because there are 4 different movies in that Digipak. But Packaging should be "Digipak".
Exactly... a packaging like Alien Quadrilogy is already covered by the rules here. Quote:
# Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged.
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If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc.
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But as you asked, Theatrical and Director's/Extended Cut are not necessarily two different movies. In most cases they are just one movie in different versions. So they have to be entered just a one main profile without child profiles. Agreed... but in most cases... the different cut are on the same disc anyway.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 36 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said before...
We should take this to the Rules-Committee oder Ken/Gerri. The poll won't give us a solution...
Another example: What about the two different cuts of BladeRunner? The message of the movie differs from version to version... In this case, I would not dare to say, that these two versions are equal.
Next problem: Those different movies might have different extras (Commentaries, audio, languages, subtitles ...). Some people (including me) would like to have this information... | | | | Ääärrrrrmin!! | | | | Last edited: by Mozo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lexxx: Quote:
You see, that we will not come to a solution here. That's why the forum has developed the Ben-Hur model in a similar case. It's a workable compromise which could satisfy both camps. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 36 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right... - that works with a "Main Feature" und a "Bonus Feature".
What about Sets with equal movies?
Imagine... - there is Set including e.g. "Robocop (Director's Cut)", "Robocop (Theatrical Cut)", "Robocop II" and "Robocop III". What would you do?
Are these 4 different movies? ---> BoxSet with 4 films in it.
Are these 3 different movies? ---> BoxSet with BenHur-Model and 3 other films in it.
The easiest way is to divide it in 4 different movies. So there won't be any discussion about what a movie is and what not.
Example: Brazil (Criterion): Why an extra profile for the bonus DVD? Is this a movie? | | | | Ääärrrrrmin!! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lexxx: Quote:
Example: Brazil (Criterion): Why an extra profile for the bonus DVD? Is this a movie? No, it's a Bonus disc covering both films of the set...  Seriously, unfortunately it is not that easy to determine whether two cuts make already two different films. There was already examples given, where even the director's thought of them as alternate versions, but not different films. Sometimes the "Director's Cut" only has a few more seconds of gore (I believe RoboCop is such example). Other times the second cut is altered that much, that the whole thing literally becomes a whole different film (Brazil). I don't know the differences for Dances with Wolves (although I believe to remember the difference is one hour...). Alien Quadrilogy is a very bad example, indeed. Not only differs Alien by only one seen (IIRC), but is actually not what Ridley Scott 'his' version... On the other hand, there is the extended version for Alien 3 (by no means a Director's Cut), which alters the film substantially. Anyway, none of these can be profiled separately, as they use seamless branching... O.k., enough already...  Just some input, no solution form me.  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DaMikstar: Quote:
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For me, in this case, the deciding factir will be "How is it packaged?"
If all disks are in the same case --> Not a boxset
If you have a case for the theatrcal cut, a double case for the director's cut and a third case for the bonus --> Then it's a boxset and you must create 3 child profiles for each case.
That won't work. Example: Alien Quadrilogy. An amount of movies in a DigiPack (not individually packaged).
But Alien Quadrilogy contains four movies, not just one. So this example is not useful.
You asked in the opening post about one movie in different versions in one set, tarantino answered to that! I think he, me and all will agree that an edition like the "Alien Quadrilogy" should be a boxset with child profiles, because there are 4 different movies in that Digipak. But Packaging should be "Digipak".
But as you asked, Theatrical and Director's/Extended Cut are not necessarily two different movies. In most cases they are just one movie in different versions. So they have to be entered just a one main profile without child profiles. Actually it contains 8 movies, if you count directors cut. |
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Isn't this handled in the rules?
BOX SETS;
"Box Sets" Containing More Than One Film
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.
Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a film is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging.
If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc.
And then for multiple versions the rules state;
Examples of valid Other Features:
Trivia Tracks
Radio Spots
Film Introductions (which were not part of the original theatrical release)
Indications for multiple versions of a film
I'd say that's pretty clear? | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | I say it's a box set because the two different cuts are on seperate discs. They could have easily done this with seamless branching on one disc, but they chose not to.
Should be set up as a box set. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 |  Posts: 78 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
I say it's a box set because the two different cuts are on seperate discs. Two DVDs with films on it => box set. It doesn't matter if there are two different cuts, two different versions or two different movies. As simple as possible. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting schizzzo: Quote:
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I say it's a box set because the two different cuts are on seperate discs.
Two DVDs with films on it => box set. It doesn't matter if there are two different cuts, two different versions or two different movies. As simple as possible. I agree. This just seems the most logical route to follow. There are frequently differences in content than can only be accurately recorded in individual profiles: e.g. Audio, Subtitles, Running time, Production Year, Cast & Crew (Although this isn't such a problem thanks to dividers) Extra Features | | | | Stuart |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote:
For me, in this case, the deciding factir will be "How is it packaged?"
If all disks are in the same case --> Not a boxset
If you have a case for the theatrcal cut, a double case for the director's cut and a third case for the bonus --> Then it's a boxset and you must create 3 child profiles for each case. Packaging has nothing to do with it. We don't profile Bonus discs either. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting tarantino:
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For me, in this case, the deciding factir will be "How is it packaged?"
If all disks are in the same case --> Not a boxset
If you have a case for the theatrcal cut, a double case for the director's cut and a third case for the bonus --> Then it's a boxset and you must create 3 child profiles for each case.
Packaging has nothing to do with it. We don't profile Bonus discs either. Thats not at all true. If a box set is in keep cases and the bonus disc is in it;s own case, it is profiled as if it were a movie. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can see different cuts of movies being a box set, thoughit seems duplicative. But two versions of the same cut (ie. wide screen and fool screen) shouldn't be a box set. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Thats not at all true.
If a box set is in keep cases and the bonus disc is in it;s own case, it is profiled as if it were a movie. It is still no important if the Bonus Disc is in it's own case. It is important whether its content is for one or more movies of the set. Of course, in a Box Set iwth Keep Cases, the ones in their own case are usually very likely to apply to all films... However, it is not limited to Keep Cases. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Posts: 179 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting tarantino:
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For me, in this case, the deciding factir will be "How is it packaged?"
If all disks are in the same case --> Not a boxset
If you have a case for the theatrcal cut, a double case for the director's cut and a third case for the bonus --> Then it's a boxset and you must create 3 child profiles for each case.
Packaging has nothing to do with it. We don't profile Bonus discs either. Rifter Just wondering why if we do not profile bonus discs why did some do this for the special edition of My Name is Earl Season 1. Did the bonus Disc the yellow one Slip through the process. Thanks | | | | Brian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting the Rules: Quote:
If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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