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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Broven: Quote:
How about the concise KISS rules, but with hot links to further examples or "For more information, click here." or something along those lines. That way, newbies like myself can easily find the detailed info, without bogging down the main rules listing. This more information link might even include things like "While not a rule, the general forum consensus seems to be..." and the like.
Just a thought.
Anyway, in lieu of that, I prefer more detailed rules. I would feel more comfortable making some contributions if I weren't so uncertain about what the proper way to do things is. That's a good idea - or maybe a link to a few examples of each rule, so you can see how it's meant to work. I think the problem with the current rules is that some of them are too simple and are liable to misinterpretation. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
In the rules committee forum we currently have a discussion about the style of the contribution rules in general. While some members like to see the KISS principle applied ("Keep it simple, stupid") and feel that the rules should be as terse as possible, others suggest using more explanations and more extensive descriptions, especially for the newbies. I am interested in the community's opinion about this.
Most parts of the current rules use the short style. As an example for the alternative, I'd like to show you a proposal for a combined set of rules for movie box sets and TV series, created by Rifter and Kinematics: See here (please note that this discussion should not be about the proposal itself, as I said it's just a style example).
What do you think ? I see where you're going, but you're mistating WHY we did those rules for boxsets that way. Let me first say that in general, I prefer short, concise, to the point rules or instructions. That's great if everybody is on the same page and at the same level of expertise. But invariably, you'll have people that are ahead of the curve who don't even need the rules and still get it right, the bulk is in the middle somewhere and has no trouble following the rules, and then there's that bunch at the back who just don't get it. For them, short and concise might as well be in Klingon for all the understanding they get from them. So, since there is so much misunderstanding and controversy over what is or isn't a boxset set, and how it should be profiled, we felt that longer and more precise, with plenty of examples, was better. Certainly, they can be spruced up some, but I still think it is the right approach for that section of the rules which by its very nature is more complicated than a normal profile. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still never understand why all the controversy on this issue, I have never had a problem with understanding what we are supposed to do per the Rules. I understand what a Boxset is AND a TV series AND how to handle them. It just isn't that hard, but everybody seems to want to make it HARD.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
I see where you're going, but you're mistating WHY we did those rules for boxsets that way... John, it wasn't my intention to go anywhere. As I said, I'm pretty much neutral on the style of the rules (I didn't even vote for one of the options). I simply used your proposal as an example for a more explicatory version of the rules. I admit I'm not too fond of the proposal, but that has more to do with the combination of box set and TV series rules, which should be subject of a completely different vote. I thought it necessary to put an end to the endless discussions about whether to apply the KISS principle or not. So, again, this vote should not be about the proposal itself, but simply on the style. | | | | Michael | | | | Last edited: by TigiHof |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 78 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Broven: Quote:
How about the concise KISS rules, but with hot links to further examples or "For more information, click here." or something along those lines. That way, newbies like myself can easily find the detailed info, without bogging down the main rules listing. This more information link might even include things like "While not a rule, the general forum consensus seems to be..." and the like. Than I would have a problem: How to print the whole thing? I have my rule set printed out, I like paper  |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe we could split it into two:
a KISS section that covers 90% of all cases
a speciality section for more complicated cases | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sugarjoe: If there is anything you guys have taught me the last two years, there is NO 90%. everything seems to be far too complicated and discussed endlessly and repeatedly.  I don't undertsand it but there it is. Issues have been raised in areas that I would never have believed were possible, sometimes valid, sometimes not, I don't know why but..... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
While I also like the notes to be as brief as possible, I would like the rules to be as long as necessary. That's the target, "as long as necessary, but as short as possible".  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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While I also like the notes to be as brief as possible, I would like the rules to be as long as necessary.
That's the target, "as long as necessary, but as short as possible". I agree. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
That's the target, "as long as necessary, but as short as possible". That is a wise sentence, Achim. I assume you will help to suit the action to the word - for example by participating in the committee forum ? | | | | Michael |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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While I also like the notes to be as brief as possible, I would like the rules to be as long as necessary.
That's the target, "as long as necessary, but as short as possible". This is actually my stand as well. I have no problem with long rules if they need to be long. However, if you can get the point across with a single paragraph, there is no need to use three. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd go with both. Write a KISS version with links to more detailed explanations at the end whenever needed. Everybody's happy and we save another endless debate.......which means NOT everybody is happy anymore  | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Broven: Quote:
How about the concise KISS rules, but with hot links to further examples or "For more information, click here." I would prefer this method myself. Initial view is KISS format but with more descriptive information contained in hidden div blocks with javascript links to make them visible. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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That's the target, "as long as necessary, but as short as possible".
That is a wise sentence, Achim. I assume you will help to suit the action to the word - for example by participating in the committee forum ? When discussion are led in an appropriate manner again, I most certainly will. However, I have worked on Rules twice and actually think that it's good that there is also a substantial amount of "fresh people" there to do the adjustments... Besides being tired of it I also think that after a certain point you don't look at some things as objective as required anymore. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting TigiHof:
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Quoting ya_shin:
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That's the target, "as long as necessary, but as short as possible".
That is a wise sentence, Achim. I assume you will help to suit the action to the word - for example by participating in the committee forum ?
When discussion are led in an appropriate manner again, I most certainly will.
However, I have worked on Rules twice and actually think that it's good that there is also a substantial amount of "fresh people" there to do the adjustments... Besides being tired of it I also think that after a certain point you don't look at some things as objective as required anymore. Well, that's because rules designed by popular vote seldom work. There is an old joke that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. The point there is that you assign some people to do the job based on certain criteria or expertise, and then you implement the fruits of their labor. No discussions, no debates, etc. Then you do periodic revisions to handle things that were missed, haven't worked out right, etc. The way it is now, a lot of good ideas get chucked out and shouted down because some person decides they don't like them, and then you get a pile on effect to kill what the majority doesn't like, even if it might be better in the long run. You also tend to get bogged down over minutia. But, hey, what do I know. I've never had any experience at this before...  | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | My comment stands. Combined with your's, John, it would mean:
Create a small team of totally new people (no one from the old team could re-join) and improve the Rules. Target: no rewrite, just tweaks as necessary. Contact to the forum to collect popular opinion on certain issues should be allowed.
I indeed agree, that that would probably work faster. The result may probably not be as popular though. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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