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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBattling Butler
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I believe a "bare-bones" system starts at about $35,000.00 and will store several hundred DVDs. The price goes up as more RAID drives are added for more movies.


THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND freak'n Dollars ???!!   

D A M N  ... that buys a LOT of DVD's, A/V gear, cars, boats, vacations, and other stuff!
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Look really nice but I bet it cost a pretty penny.[/blockquote[b]]


try THREE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND pretty pennies !
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBattling Butler
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$35,000 is several times the combined total cost of making El Mariachi and Clerks 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGone Fishin'
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Have any of you worked with the Netgear DIGITAL ENTERTAINER EVA8000. See link:

www.netgear.com/Products/Entertainment/DigitalMediaPlayers/EVA8000.aspx
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If it works, as advertized, $350 is much better than $35,000.
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I don't like the fact it doesn't have a gigabit controller.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGone Fishin'
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Ya, I know what you mean. D-Link has one too, and it's a 100 also.
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I have the D-Link version and it's very good. But my lack of know-how, is limiting my ability use it. I rip my DVD with DVDFab and it doesn't play thru  the file right. I then copy the DVDFab files using 1click to copy to disk and it works great. No problems with LAN speed or visual on my 70" JVC. Couldnt till the difference with the original DVD.

I wish I was smarter. Still working with it but thought the Netgear might fix that problem.  Looking for advice. Should I  get the Netgear and give it a go.  That's why I was hoping someone else has given it a try first
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$35k you got to be joking? I bet I could make an HTPC for $1k-2k with a lot of space. What I would do is rip the movies and compress them. I bet Kaleidescape is not compressing them which make it take up more space. I would compress a dual layer to a single layer disc. so it be like 4.5gb or less movie only instead of 8.4.

Only thing I couldn't do is make dvd covers show on the screen so when you click on the movie plays.
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When I first did some research into this I could never find the price for the system.  It wasn't until I read an interview with the CEO where he stated that their systems run from $20K upwards to a high-end system they installed for a client that was over $120,000.

That's why my sig says a DVD Collector's Dream...  Well, powerball is up to $300 million.  Maybe I'll win it tomorrow and can buy a new system on Sunday!!     
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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They have a triple redundancy custom RAID.  This tells me that movies copied onto their system is stored on three drives (not split upon).  So if one or even two drives go bad, you can still watch your movies while you wait for a tech to come in and replace the bad drive modules.  They also don't compress DVD's but likely do encrypt.
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Only thing I couldn't do is make dvd covers show on the screen so when you click on the movie plays.

If you use XLobby you can do this. You click on the dvd cover, you get the description of the movie and you click play. Best of all if you have an older version of XLobby it's free.
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Quoting Randall_Lind:
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Only thing I couldn't do is make dvd covers show on the screen so when you click on the movie plays.

If you use XLobby you can do this. You click on the dvd cover, you get the description of the movie and you click play. Best of all if you have an older version of XLobby it's free.


I also know that if you are a law breaking copyright infringing criminal you could buy a used xbox off ebay for 60 bucks, mod it, and install xbmc which will allow you to stream computer files from your computer. It works real well...from what I've read in some sketchy underground black market tabloid.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRandall_Lind
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I been looking on youtube ate people HTPC setup it looks easy enough to build a system they were using Vista and htpc case with the IMON ultra bay. I am not rich but I make up for that with dreaming.

Vista is ok I guess but the IMON software looks better. check out this case
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAryn Ravenlocke
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Sorry I have been gone for so long folks. Life got hectic on this end. The cost of the system is in no way whatsoever inexpensive. There are indeed installs that ran over $100k. (George Clooney's system has over 6000 movies on it, but he's made of money so...) The system I had designed came in at $21k, holds 3500 DVDs and 2000 CDs. Another expansion drive is planned and will cost another $700 and hold approximately 1500 more DVDs. That number is probably a bit high though since I am now moving over to Blu Ray and they take up more room.

To answer other questions:

No the data is not compressed

Yes the RAID 3 is 3 full copies of the data stored independently for maximum protection

The cost of a movie is "only" the cost of obaining a rental AND the HD space. This still brings the cost of most older DVD titles up to about $20 or so. Granted, the studios are not getting much of that, but then they don't really get much from users watching streaming movies on their PCs either.

Klaidescape has won now THREE lawsuits brought against them for their technology. On top of that, they have also payed out to be allowed (not sure if it is a license or what) to break the encryption. In essence, each time the encryptions are upgraded these days, the fix is sent to them by the developers. I'm pretty sure that the studios are going to continue to be SOL in this arena.

There are indeed plenty of other options available. This one just happens to be a beast of a system that comes with just about every bell and whistle to begin with. Before looking seriously at the system I tried to design my own. I found that in the long run it was still going to cost me over $15k to do it anything close to like what these folks were already doing. At that point the extra expense was no longer as big an issue for me. I find the price entirely woth every penny.
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There was no way in hell my wife was going to let me drop $35K on a Kaleidescape, so I went a different route.

I bought two Netgear EVA9150s, and a DroboPro SAN unit fully populated with eight 2 TB drives.

The 9150s are OK.  For 99% of my DVD playback needs, they're great.  I've had no luck with Blu-ray and HD-DVD ISOs, though, and they've since gone End-of-life, to be replaced by the impossible to find Neo550s.

To date, I've gotten 1,761 DVD isos ripped, using 11 TB of space.  At this point, I'm looking at buying a second DroboPro to rip the rest of my collection. I had to stop after the letter Q. (ALL DVDs are discs I OWN).

I also have a handful of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD rips that have been converted to MKV format.  They get compressed to between 6 - 8 GB per title, and maintain a really high video and audio quality.  Playback may suffer a bit over my LAN because the Windows Home Server box on which I've mounted the Drobo only has a 100MB NIC for the primary network connection (secondary is a GB NIC for the iSCSI connection to the Drobo).

Total investment with players and storage will be less than $7K
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