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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | ALL that does is tell you that such sets are Boxsets, it does nothing to tell you specifically how to set it up. And that was written back when we had 2.4, not even the 2.5 beta, we did not have a good method back then for dealing with them. Does it need updating with the divider system, yes. But it does not change the DEFINITION that a "Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD." IS a Boxset for our purposs.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think I and a few others have interpreted this line: Quote:
Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. as instructions on how to set the profile up. If you're telling me I'm wrong that's fine, but I'm just not seeing it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't mean to sound insulting. But this is simple lack of Common Sense. The Boxset Rules were developed in 2.4 we had no good way to handle DS Multi-Feature films, we simply defined them as a Boxset. We could not even tell how to handle them. Many of us came up with a system, I did, but I don't believe I ever Contributed any of the. Why would I not do that, because I RECOGNIZED that the system I was using LOCALLY inserted a phantom disc that did not really exist into the system. But at least this way LOCALLY I could separate the data for the films.
NOW we have added dividers, which allows us to "properly" define the data on the disc (with some exceptions, which will be resolved later). You are operating as if we did not have dividers, and the data you have enterd into the Parent profile is MISLEADING, iut makes it appear as if it were FOUR DISC set. This is NOT hard to comprehend.
You are trying to apply Rules that are not spelled out for Multi-Feature Discs. They were only defined.
Were users Contributing data similar to what I was maintaining locally, probably, I have watched users take every possible advantage they could to try to make the Online their personal play yard. Including some very strange sorts back in the bad old days.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting djskyler: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Okay, so I did do it right. In that case, I'll continue to upload the child profiles. When I started getting "no" votes, I figured I was screwing things up and didn't want to pollute the database with a bunch of bogus profiles.
Yes, I am so glad to see someone tackling this problem. The no-votes are really a reflection of the voting capabilities of DVD Profiler: voting only possible by those who added the titles into their profiles. Although many of the other Universal Franchise Collections have been properly formatted into separate side/child profiles, some of the voters of the Abbott and Costello series have been blockading against this for some reason. I hope we can get it through this time!
Quoting Rifter:
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You would do it just like an 8 episode TV season. UPC to master, Disc ID for each side of a disc, and 2 episodes per ID.
Not to confuse the issue, but I thought the rules for TV series box sets are different from movie box sets insofar as TV series box sets are strictly one disc = one child?
Movie Box Sets Rules Allow for separate child sides by saying:
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Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. > Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not.
TV Box Sets Rules make no mention of child sides:
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Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. What is the difference between an hour long movie and an hour long TV episode except in somebody's imagination? | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 125 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You set up the children just right using dividers to separate the Two movies, I would suggest one SLIGHT addition to your Cast and Crew listings and that is simply to add Extra dividers for the Sides, imagine if there were multiple movies (more than two) on the disc the Side dividers help to define what is where. The Best of Abbott and Costello Volume One includes 8 movies, 2 movies per side. Your votes seem to assume only 1 movie per side. Quote:
Sorry I don't see anything that indicates the parent should be handled as you describe, it's simply not rational. IN THE CURRENT 3.0 RULES:The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:....Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. <-- the splitting disc clauseForum discussions are not rules, but this poll showed 2/3 majority in favor of split-disc profiles for movie box sets. Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
let's at least be consistent so the newb only has to learn this lesson once ROLL CALL for Universal Movie Box Sets that Have Split Discs: Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Mae West Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
Marlene Dietrich Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
Gary Cooper Franchise Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
Carol Lombard Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
John Wayne Franchise Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized) ALSO The Adventure of Francis the Talking Mule Vol. 1, 1 disk, 2 children Airport Terminal Pack, 2 disks, 4 children The Bela Lugosi Collection, 1 disk, 1 child (for just the one side, other side not in database at all) Don Knotts 4 Movie Reluctant Hero Pack, 1 disk, 2 children Dracula The Legacy Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized) Frankenstein The Legacy Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized) Inner Sanctum Mysteries, 1 disk, 2 children The Invisible Man The Legacy Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized) The Mummy The Legacy Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized) Smokey and the Bandit: The Pursuit Pack, 1 disk, 2 children |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dj: How many per side is irrelevant, it could be 3 and 1, or 6 and 6 the setup with the new dividers is the same. Why do you people always make somethin so easy to understand...so hard. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 125 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
What is the difference between an hour long movie and an hour long TV episode except in somebody's imagination? One big difference is that two movies living together on one side of the disc may have absolutely nothing in common other than a theme or perhaps a single actor. TV episodes on a disc have quite a lot in common as per cast, crew, year, format, etc. etc. And in line with the consistency theme of this thread, I have not found any split disc profiles in the database for TV series discs. I have found many for movie box sets, as for the most part people are submitting or at least voting in line with the rules as they are currently posted. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting djskyler: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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What is the difference between an hour long movie and an hour long TV episode except in somebody's imagination?
One big difference is that two movies living together on one side of the disc may have absolutely nothing in common other than a theme or perhaps a single actor. TV episodes on a disc have quite a lot in common as per cast, crew, year, format, etc. etc.
And in line with the consistency theme of this thread, I have not found any split disc profiles in the database for TV series discs. I have found many for movie box sets, as for the most part people are submitting or at least voting in line with the rules as they are currently posted. Yeah, only because somebody arbitrarily said there is a difference between a TV episode and a movie of the same length. If I handed you a blank boxset with no indication on it as to the origin of the videos, you wouldn't know which way to do it, would you? You'd have to rely on the structure, the physical layout of the discs. In this case, that would be 4 discs, with 2 video segments on each side. Thus, you would use disc ID for a child profile for each side, and separate the videos using dividers. It doesn't get any simpler than that. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting djskyler: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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What is the difference between an hour long movie and an hour long TV episode except in somebody's imagination?
One big difference is that two movies living together on one side of the disc may have absolutely nothing in common other than a theme or perhaps a single actor. TV episodes on a disc have quite a lot in common as per cast, crew, year, format, etc. etc.
And in line with the consistency theme of this thread, I have not found any split disc profiles in the database for TV series discs. I have found many for movie box sets, as for the most part people are submitting or at least voting in line with the rules as they are currently posted. Knight Rider: Season 1 has split discs in the database. Guess you did not look hard enough. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is all irrelevant, Erik.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is relevant to him saying they don't exist. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah OK, I'll buy that.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 125 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Yeah, only because somebody arbitrarily said there is a difference between a TV episode and a movie of the same length. If I handed you a blank boxset with no indication on it as to the origin of the videos, you wouldn't know which way to do it, would you? You'd have to rely on the structure, the physical layout of the discs. In this case, that would be 4 discs, with 2 video segments on each side. Thus, you would use disc ID for a child profile for each side, and separate the videos using dividers.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. Hehe not to drive the thread onto a different freeway, but I can't resist your hypothetical that we might create profiles without watching the video files on the disc....because if I did watch the videos on a TV series box set, even if it were in a foreign language, I think I might quickly ascertain from the same actors, sets, photography, sound quality and perhaps music in every video that I was seeing episodes of a TV series.  Back to the thread, I have nothing against splitting TV series box set, if that's what somebody wants...get it in the rules...its not in there now. |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 125 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Knight Rider: Season 1 has split discs in the database. Guess you did not look hard enough. Actually, THANK YOU pplchamp from bringing up an important point. I had no access to the Knight Rider Season 1 profile because I don't own it and it is not on my wish list...I can't vote on that profile and I have no influence on how they are submitted, unlike you who have a voice on that title and are quite aware of its status. In this thread we have named 15 profiles (from Universal Home Video alone) in which all the people having influence over its submission approved child profiles for each disc side. But the attempt to bring the same consistency to the Abbott and Costello sets is discouraged because some of the voters on that title don't own the other titles. The rules you must follow depend not on what's posted but on who else is interested in that title (in this case only eight so far). So pplchamp, I see you own Knight Rider Season 1. If you add Seasons 2-4, you will see they all have one-disc child profiles. Wouldn't it seem sloppy to you to have Seasons 2-4 listed differently than Season 1? Its not consistent. I'm just looking for some consistency. I'm surprised so few people picked up The Best of Bud Abbott and Lou Costello: Volume 1, eight great movies for $15! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rhen if you want consistency One Disc profiles is correct for two-sided discs.
Or are you after consistency YOUR way. I frankly could care less, but from a staright data management viewpoint inventing Phantom Discs is not good.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is just my opinion but...
Be it a TV Series
Be it a Movie set
Be it an HD-DVD Hybrid
They all should be profiled to the side level. I don't care about future enhancements to the program that may still be coming. It is possible to profile both sides of all three, we should do it.
The only thing that should not be profiled by disc side is a double sided disc of the same movie (W/S and either FF or P&S) or a double sided disc where one side is only bonus material.
Don't even try to argue the inflated disc count. It's already infaslted by parent profiles of both movie sets and TV seriies parent profiles. It's already inflated by profiling bonus movies on bonus discs in two disc sets. The dsic count is broken along with corss-linking. Disc count needs to be changed to what it really is.. Profile Count. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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