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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Y'know Rifter, I'm beginning to get the sense that you're in favour of disc-level profiling...
I mean, I'm not Mystic Meg or anything, but if you look closely, the signs are there. | | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And...your point is what. <yawn>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | The point is <yawn>. Say summat new |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | When were we told Grandchildren are coming?  Have had a hard time the past couple days keeping up (not here enough). Did I miss something  If someone could point me to it I would appreciate it |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
Y'know Rifter, I'm beginning to get the sense that you're in favour of disc-level profiling...
I mean, I'm not Mystic Meg or anything, but if you look closely, the signs are there. No kidding? | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Posted: | | | | Sometimes no matter how often you repeat something, some people fail to grasp the meaning; probably because they are so busy arguing for a specific POV instead of actually reading and comprehending what is being said.
The Rules currently say that Complete Series of TV shows are to be handled as Boxsets, treating each season of the complete series as a single profile and adding each Season to the Parent Boxset profile.
Here's the rub.
Many of these Complete Series do not simply add the individual Season sets to the Complete series. They often add the individual discs without the original individual season boxes (DvD Show), or if they do include the individual season box, it may not have a UPC on it.
So how do you build profiles for the individual seasons that don't have UPCs? You have only one choice. You have to use the Disc ID for the first disc in that Individual Season as the profile for that Season.
Low and behold, that disc ID has already been used by someone who created a disc level child profile for the original Single Season TV set. It already has all the data in it for the several episodes that are JUST ON THAT DISC.
In order to use that Disc ID as a child for an entire season for the COMPLETE SERIES (which is what the Rules tell us to do) ALL of the data for that entire season will need to be added to the Disc ID profile that had previously been used just to profile the episodes that were on that disc. That will tick off people who are using that Disc ID as a child profile with just the data for that disc on it!
Grandchild profiles (WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN FORECAST BY ANY OFFICIAL OF INVELOS) will do nothing to solve this problem. | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Hal, I agree with everything you said.
about the only thing that can be done to not piss off those people, is create a manual profile for the season set.
I know, you can't contribute those.
This situation needs to be addressed by Ken. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The Rules currently say that Complete Series of TV shows are to be handled as Boxsets, treating each season of the complete series as a single profile and adding each Season to the Parent Boxset profile.
Here's the rub.
Many of these Complete Series do not simply add the individual Season sets to the Complete series. They often add the individual discs without the original individual season boxes (DvD Show), or if they do include the individual season box, it may not have a UPC on it.
So how do you build profiles for the individual seasons that don't have UPCs? You have only one choice. You have to use the Disc ID for the first disc in that Individual Season as the profile for that Season. That's how we handled it with Buffy Collection under v2.5 Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Low and behold, that disc ID has already been used by someone who created a disc level child profile for the original Single Season TV set. It already has all the data in it for the several episodes that are JUST ON THAT DISC. Yup and someone already has done just that. Quoting hal9g: Quote:
In order to use that Disc ID as a child for an entire season for the COMPLETE SERIES (which is what the Rules tell us to do) ALL of the data for that entire season will need to be added to the Disc ID profile that had previously been used just to profile the episodes that were on that disc. That will tick off people who are using that Disc ID as a child profile with just the data for that disc on it I guess I can recontribute the Buffy Seasons from the Chosen Collection and see how many get ticked off.  | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | i'm ticked off because the original release of this disc id was in the first season set so should have a profile to match that set. deal with this mess in your home database. i'm voting no and none of you can stop me. krik   | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Hal, I agree with everything you said.
about the only thing that can be done to not piss off those people, is create a manual profile for the season set.
I know, you can't contribute those.
This situation needs to be addressed by Ken. Yes, Ken does need to remedy this situation. But as long as some people insist that there is some sort of difference between a movie boxset and a TV season set and require different methods of profiling them, even Ken can't solve it. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Some people are simply clueless, John.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Krikarian: Quote:
i'm ticked off because the original release of this disc id was in the first season set so should have a profile to match that set. deal with this mess in your home database.
i'm voting no and none of you can stop me.
krik You're right on the money, Krik! I helped build some of those early profiles. It's too bad the studios saw fit to reissue things and screw all that work up, but that is a problem for the people who bought the reissues, not us. I would also vote no if I hadn't sold my sets already. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If we are following the rules, there is only one answer...Box Set Profile with each season as a child, cast and crew for each episode added to the season child profile.
This is the problem I said was going to come up when people started profiling each and every disc in a set. We don't have 'box set within a box set' capabilities so these series sets are going to be screwed up. You don't have to do a box set within a boxset if you're profiling every disc. You simply name the disc accordingly, and use the Disc ID to identify it just as you would any other. As in: Friends: Season 1: Disc 1, Friends: Season 5: Disc 5, etc. Each and every disc gets a unique profile that tracks with its position in the set, and you don't have to mess around with hanging 5 or 6 profiles on the first disc profile for a season. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Krikarian: Quote:
i'm ticked off because the original release of this disc id was in the first season set so should have a profile to match that set. deal with this mess in your home database.
i'm voting no and none of you can stop me.
krik Am I right in understanding you, that the discID is being used for a TV series disc level profile, but is now needed for a season level profile as part of a multiple season box? If so then the season profile has to take priority per the rules. Disc level profiles are not allowed per the rules, where as season level profiles in a multi-season set are expressly directed. It may not be nice, but what is defined by the rules has to take priority over what is not imo. | | | Andy 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | show me:
TV Series on DVD
TV Series on DVD come in 2 separate types:
* Complete Series/Season sets
* Anthologies of Episodes that do not form a complete series or season.
The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:
Section Clarification / Adjustment to Rules
Title The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the Front Cover; for example The Andy Griffith Show. Season indicators, if listed on the cover, should be entered as part of the title, not the description. e.g. Angel: The Complete First Season.
Production Year
Complete Series/Season - Use the year that the Series/Season was produced and first aired in its country of origin. TV series are typically spread over a date range for a season, for example 2002-2003, for DVD Profiler purposes this will be entered as the beginning of the season; from the example the entry would be 2002.
Anthologies of Episodes – The Production Year will be the date of the Earliest Episode
Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.
Overviews Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field.
Credits Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes – List all Cast Members for a TV Series appropriately. Use the Divider feature to indicate episode divisions.
Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile. | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." |
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