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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FredLooks: Quote:
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And we find that "Lon Chaney, Jr." is the "common name per the CLT, by your argument we would have to enter this credit in DVDP as:
Lon Chaney, Jr. [Lon Chaney Jr] as The Wolfman (uncredited)
because "Lon Chaney, Jr." is NOT the name in the credits, therefore "Lon Chaney, Jr." is uncredited.
Without wanting to enter this particular fray, I'd like to point out that if the (uncredited) checkbox is ticked, then it isn't possible to put anything into the "Credited As" field; it is disabled (likely on the reasonable assumption that if they are "uncredited" then they logically cannot be "credited as" anything).
I realise that this wasn't your suggestion, Hal, I just grabbed the most recent bit of text which talked about it, which was yours.
I was unable to discern if this particular fact had been noted, so I thought I'd mention it ... Very good point, Fred. It cannot even be done the way Skip is trying to manipulate it to work! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Give it up Hal. You'll not get through (but you know that already  ) There was only one way out on this and he is playing it like a Stratovarius. The old "I know something but I can't tell you" song. If he knows something he isn't supposed to talk about he should keep quiet about it. But his need to feel important and the fact that he was once again shown to be wrong by Ken himself means he has to come up with something to save face. It's the same as it's been for years. The only thing that has changed are the members of the secret society that get the *privilege* of the inside information.  . |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are of course, correct Rick, and I really do know better!  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Fred:
That is a good point, however I don't think it's relevant. If we do this
Herself as Ida
Sandra as Ida (uncredited) or even if we went
Sandra as Herself
The Alias system is not needed. We have cross referenced all the relevant information relative to this Hollywood PITA. But you have also cross referenced every other actor in the database whose credited Name is "Herself" and there could be literally hundreds (like Greta Van Susteren for just one example.) | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | It also gives the wrong impression of what is (or isn't) in the end credits.
Putting Sandra Bullock as Ida Flammenbaum (uncredited) gives the impression there is no credit, but there is. And putting Sandra Bullock as Herself is just wrong.
It's just creating extra work and credits for no good reason.
Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum] as Herself does exactly what we need it to do, and Ken himself has said this is the correct method.
As unfortunate as it is, it's arguments like these that make me think that Skip is less concerned about accuracy and more concerned about being right all the time. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you were a database design expert, you'd understand.
Okay, I should probably get slapped for that. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Fred:
That is a good point, however I don't think it's relevant. If we do this
Herself as Ida
Sandra as Ida (uncredited) or even if we went
Sandra as Herself
The Alias system is not needed. We have cross referenced all the relevant information relative to this Hollywood PITA.
But you have also cross referenced every other actor in the database whose credited Name is "Herself" and there could be literally hundreds (like Greta Van Susteren for just one example.) Ken: And that is why the better answer of the two would be Sandra as Ida(uncredited) Not by me, midnit, not worth the effort.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 404 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
As unfortunate as it is, it's arguments like these that make me think that Skip is less concerned about accuracy and more concerned about being right all the time. This has me really curious that people still think that Skip is doing any of this for the good of the program/database. Skip doesn't care about accuracy, heck, he doesn't even know what it means. All he has ever cared about is that you follow "his" rules. And if you have any questions, that you ask him and only him. Any arguement that result in database accuracy on his part is purely coincidental. Reread any discussion he has ever made on entering data and he immediately considers it an assault on "his" rules. I'm sure he's even put Intervocative Rule Writing on his resume. Ken should pin this thread because this one in particular shows this point all too clear. | | | The Other DVD Forum
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| | Posted: | | | | I may get a red zinger for laughing but..... Quoting tlevel: Quote:
... I'm sure he's even put Intervocative Rule Writing on his resume.
  OK... better now... or not  | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was getting upset about the behaviour at first...  But then I started to see the comedy of this thread.  It had been a while since we had a thread like this, so I guess it was about time. It is unfortunate that "in the heat of the moment" people tend to forget that "we've been there, we've done that" and have themselves drawn into this over again. This thread was closed latest since page 10... Now I have contributed here as well, sorry for that, but hopefully it will cease soon. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
It had been a while since we had a thread like this, so I guess it was about time. It is unfortunate that "in the heat of the moment" people tend to forget that "we've been there, we've done that" and have themselves drawn into this over again.
This thread was closed latest since page 10... Now I have contributed here as well, sorry for that, but hopefully it will cease soon. In all seriousness, the reason I keep piping up in these "debates" is that you don't know how long this topic is going to stay here and if a new user comes along and reads this and Skip has gone unchallenged, then the new user may think that he's right and go with Skip's method - not the correct one. You're right in that really we should just ignore a lot of his posts as he never learns and never changes, but in my opinion an unchallenged opinion gives the impression that it's an accepted opinion in a forum like this. But maybe I'm reading too much into it. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
in my opinion an unchallenged opinion gives the impression that it's an accepted opinion in a forum like this. That's exactly how I feel as well. Skip keeps presenting his own opinion as fact, and if nobody comes along to point out that it's indeed nothing more than his own personal preference, there might still be a few users actually believing it. He came into this thread on page one, trying to end the matter by declaring "That would be the proper way" to the decidedly incorrect method of handling this - as confirmed by Ken several times now - despite the huge problems with his approach and the fact that we'd already reached a pretty good consensus back in March. Someone has to point out that he's wrong, or else someone might actually believe him. Unfortunately, he won't even accept it when it's Ken pointing out that he's wrong, let alone that he'd ever take it from anyone else... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
In all seriousness, the reason I keep piping up in these "debates" is that you don't know how long this topic is going to stay here and if a new user comes along and reads this and Skip has gone unchallenged, then the new user may think that he's right and go with Skip's method - not the correct one.
You're right in that really we should just ignore a lot of his posts as he never learns and never changes, but in my opinion an unchallenged opinion gives the impression that it's an accepted opinion in a forum like this. But maybe I'm reading too much into it. Of course I do understand this reasoning and have to agree. It's actually what makes this so sad and creates that vicious circle...  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you want to challenge me, north you had best KNOW what you aretalking about first and you don't. neither does Tim.
Tim is merely mis-guided in his failure to understand, I can't asses North. Tim's focus is in the wrong place.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
If you want to challenge me, north you had best KNOW what you aretalking about first and you don't. neither does Tim.
Skip Translation from Skip-speak: I am always right....everyone else is always wrong (now including Ken Cole)! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are most of the time, hal.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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