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Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,441 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Ken did say if you can document the credit look-up tool is wrong you can go with your findings... but you must document that the look-up tool is indeed wrong to do so. He also said the best way to do so is to correct any wrong profiles in the database.
I have seen many people document the true most commonly credited by using a thread listing all the person's work and getting help from the community to verify what all the credits actually are. I would suggest doing that if you want to document that the look-up tool is wrong. Sorry, maybe I was not very clear... I have already checked the Moulin Rouge! credits, and in Moulin Rouge the credit is Rochelle Jones, OK? If you analyze ICL results Rochelle Jones is credited in 2 titles (14 profiles) (only from Moulin Rouge!), and Rochelle G. Jones is credited in 10 titles (67 profiles) (50 from Moulin Rouge! and 17 from Staying Alive, and there are NO other titles), so, again, even if in Staying Alive appear the credit Rochelle G. Jones (I don't know), we can say that anyway the real results from ICL should be: Rochelle Jones is credited in x titles (64 profiles) Rochelle G. Jones is credited in y titles (17 profiles) with x>>y So I'll consider Rochelle Jones the common name. Thank you | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | You people are making this too difficult. The facts are pretty simple: Mrs. Jones has TWO different credits in the entire Invelos database. She's credited in 'Moulin Rouge' as Rochelle Jones, and in 'Stayin' Alive' as Rochelle G. Jones. Since she has only two credits in our database, there is no such thing as "the most-credited form": she's credited with either variant once.
I've run into the same problem (two credits & two name variants, or for instance four credits & two name variants) about twenty times now, and there's no consensus on how to deal with this. Ken has never spoken out on the issue as well. I can say that I might favor Rochelle G. Jones simply because it's the most "complete" variant, but someone else, especially someone who only owns 'Moulin Rouge' and not 'Stayin' Alive', might very well choose to go the opposite way. Neither is more correct than the other, and as a result, chances that all her credits will get properly linked up using the same common name are pretty slim. I know Ken won't like to hear it, but he does really need to address this somehow. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,441 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: You people are making this too difficult. The facts are pretty simple: Mrs. Jones has TWO different credits in the entire Invelos database. She's credited in 'Moulin Rouge' as Rochelle Jones, and in 'Stayin' Alive' as Rochelle G. Jones. Since she has only two credits in our database, there is no such thing as "the most-credited form": she's credited with either variant once.
However there are more editions of Moulin Rouge! dvd than Staying Alive, as shown in CL, so we can say that Rochelle Jones is most "common" than Rochelle G. Jones. DVD Profiler is related to dvds, not films, and Credit Lookup was created for this reason (I suppose). | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years | | | Last edited: by Kluge |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote: (I suppose). Well, I suppose something else... As pointed out many times before: only Ken will be able to settle this. Until he does, different users will keep using different approaches to this. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,242 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote: However there are more editions of Moulin Rouge! dvd than Staying Alive, as shown in CL, so we can say that Rochelle Jones is most "common" than Rochelle G. Jones. DVD Profiler is related to dvds, not films, and Credit Lookup was created for this reason (I suppose). There is still only TWO films (DVD's) regardless of the profiles, I don't think Hollywood would change all the credits at the end of a film because the credits where released on a Italian, French, Swedish, Finnish or (place the country of your choice here) release. Another reason I don't always follow the "But they are credited in X Profiles" debates, they are all still the same film at the end of the day. I could produce just 1 movie and release it in 15 languages thus 15 profiles - but it would still be only 1 movie. Steve |
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Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,441 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
There is still only TWO films (DVD's) regardless of the profiles, I don't think Hollywood would change all the credits at the end of a film because the credits where released on a Italian, French, Swedish, Finnish or (place the country of your choice here) release.
Another reason I don't always follow the "But they are credited in X Profiles" debates, they are all still the same film at the end of the day. I could produce just 1 movie and release it in 15 languages thus 15 profiles - but it would still be only 1 movie.
Steve Again, we don't have to miss the point: DVD Profiler is a software for catalog DVD, not films. Generally speaking I am agree that the "common name" of an actor is the most used in film credits, however in this case I must use another parameter, and the only one that I can use is the number of dvd editions. | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,242 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote: Again, we don't have to miss the point: DVD Profiler is a software for catalog DVD, not films. Now re-read what I typed "There is still only TWO films ( DVD's) regardless of the profiles" From what I have found on the net she has only done three film's 2003 - Just Deserts 2001 - Moulin Rouge 1983 - Stayin Alive So if only two of those where released onto DVD or only two of those have been profiled into DVDP, each using one form of the name then using the CLT will not make a blind bit of difference, hence the need to look else where to obtain the information you require, which I believe is what T!M and I have been telling you. But since you do not wish to listen, I think I will just leave you to work it out for yourself. I did tell you to find the person's own webpage, obviously you didn't. Steve |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,242 |
| Posted: | | | | Having just downloaded and viewed the 18 profiles that are in the DB for R2 "Staying Alive" - the cast lists are nearly all indentical for each and everyone of them - which to me seems like they were more than likely all copied from 1 first approved profile, which doesn't make them correct either.
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Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,441 |
| Posted: | | | | Robert Renga [Bob Renga] Sound recordist
Invelos Credit Lookup Robert Renga 117 titles (308 profiles) Bob Renga 19 titles (71 profiles)
https://movies.msn.com/celebrities/celebrity-filmography/robert-renga/?sortBy=3&startingItem=1 http://movies.nytimes.com/person/307951/Robert-Renga http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Robert_Renga/1493483 http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=160136&apid=175259&category=filmography&action=more http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0719521/ http://www.alienexperience.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=7%3Aalien-3&id=22%3Acast-and-crew&Itemid=40 http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/3284/alien3.html http://www.cinemahorreur.com/artistes/fiche/60315/Robert-Renga.html http://mv.en.vicdir.com/cast-17546-0-alien-179.htm | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,441 |
| Posted: | | | | Craig "Pup" Heath [Craig Heath] Sound recordist
Invelos Credit Lookup Craig "Pup" Heath 86 titles (209 profiles) Craig 'Pup' Heath 16 titles (30 profiles) Craig Heath 78 titles (198 profiles)
http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Craig_Heath/1326563 http://movies.msn.com/celebrities/celebrity/craig-%27pup%27-heath/ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372626/ http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Craig_Heath/1326563 | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years | | | Last edited: by Kluge |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 940 |
| Posted: | | | | Common name: Miguel A. Nunez, Jr. with 23 of 34 actual film titles verified. See this thread for full list (CLT results post 1 and Title List on page 2). If all 11 unverified credits go towards the same variant, this might change. The new filter will eliminate any of the comma-less Jr. variants from consideration since the program now "requires" them. All variants with original and modified CLT results and {#} actual verified film credits. Miguel A. Núñez Jr. IMDB "name" - 107 titles (228 profiles): adjusted total: 11(20) {0} Miguel A. Núñez, Jr. - 6 titles (9 profiles) adjusted total: 1(4) {1} Miguel A. Nunez, Jr. - 42 titles (68 profiles) adjusted total 117(212) {15} Miguel A. Nunez Jr. - 6 titles (7 profiles) adjusted total: 0(0) {0} Miguel Nunez - 14 titles (29 profiles) adjusted total: 39(93) {5} Miguel Núñez - 2 titles (3 profiles): adjusted total: ?(?) {0} Miguel Nuñez - 4 titles (4 profiles) adjusted total: 6(8) {1} Miguel A. Nuñez Jr. - 2 titles (2 profiles) adjusted total: 1(1) {0} Miguel Nunez Jr. - 1 title (1 profile adjusted total: ?/(?) {0} Miguel Nunez, Jr. - 1 title (1 profile) adjusted total: ?/(?) {0} Miquel A Nunez Jr - 8 titles (19 profiles) adjusted total: 6(14) {0} Miguel A. Nuñez, Jr. - 0 titles (0 profiles) adjusted total: 5(11) {1} | | | Kevin |
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Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,441 |
| Posted: | | | | Sound editor Dan Hegeman is sometime credited as Daniel Hegeman or Danny Hegeman
Invelos Credit Lookup: Daniel Hegeman 10 titles (29 profiles) Dan Hegeman 96 titles (231 profiles) Danny Hegeman 22 titles (69 profiles)
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=1021624&apid=172010&category=filmography&action=more http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0373721/ | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | I took a look at the CLT results for Paul Smith and found that the correct results for the Paul Smith that also uses L as middle initial are 14/136. The other numbers are mostly from the 1929 Paul Smith, Paul J Smith the composer and Paul Smith the sound editor.
The numbers for Paul (L.) Smith are therefor 14/136 vs 55/133 in favor of Paul L. Smith, making Paul L. Smith the common name
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0809550/
Also discussed here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=250804&messageID=868429#M868429 | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | Josh Westmoreland a.k.a. J. S. Westmoreland (Sound Crew) TCM IMDbCLT results as of 5th Feb 2009 "Josh Westmoreland" is credited in the following 25 titles (50 profiles): "J. S. Westmoreland " is credited in the following 10 titles (10 profiles): | | | Last edited: by ninehours |
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Registered: October 13, 2008 | Posts: 260 |
| Posted: | | | | You might want to remove Toru M. Tanaka Jr as one of Professor Toru Tanaka "Credited As" names as he is a different actor. Toru Tanaka Jr has been acting for the past 9 years but Professor Toru Tanaka died in 2000
Toru Tanaka Jr http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0848963/
Professor Toru Tanaka http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0849048/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kalani,_Jr. | | | Last edited: by Rogue.9 |
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Registered: October 13, 2008 | Posts: 260 |
| Posted: | | | | Catherine Schell
aka Catherine von Schell Catherina von Schell Catherina Von Schell Katherina Freiin Schell von Bauschlott
Sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Schell http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0770711/
Credit Lookup "Catherine Schell" is credited in the following 142 titles (198 profiles): "Catherine von Schell" is credited in the following 6 titles (9 profiles): "Catherina von Schell" is credited in the following 7 titles (14 profiles): "Catherina Von Schell" is credited in the following 7 titles (14 profiles): |
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