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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
I haven't seen a PS3 review from Eurogamer higher than 60. I haven't seen much in the way of EGM either. I find that a little strange don't you? Well, I guess YOU might not notice it for obvious reasons. No its not strange at all. There are no superb exclusives on PS3 yet (I really hope MGS4 can change that). I have RFOM, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword and I think Dead Rising and Crackdown are better than any of them. I find Eurogamer and EGM/1UP to be the most intelligent and least sycophantic reviews in gaming journalism. Quote:
Cutting out Japanese titles for the PS3 is almost like cutting off American titles for the Xbox 360, but let's roll with that. No these are Japanese import-only titles, I've stuck to commonly available retail products which are available in the Americas, Europe and Japan. Quote:
Why did you leave out Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Virtua Fighter 5? You, also, didn't mention the 33+ EXCLUSIVE PS3 titles announced already. Sigma is a remade Xbox1 game with updated graphics, and VF5 is about to be released on 360 so is not really an exclusive anymore. I have taken the entire list of PS3 and 360 reviews in the metacritic db, removing games that are on both platforms or are PSN/XBLA. Quote:
Like I said before, not that far behind on HIGHER rated games. I don't know how you think you are trying to fool, but it's not going to be me. I like to research more than one aspect of things from time to time.  360 has 39 exclusive games rated 75 and above, PS3 has 4, how can you call that not far behind? Are you deranged? I'm not trying to fool anyone, the sales and reviews speak for themselves. The forum members who read this and enjoy gaming know that hardware and features in console wars are meaningless (PS1 vs Dreamcast, PS2 vs Xbox) and its all about good games. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting graymadder: Quote:
The PS3 is a more powerful console than the 360. This isn't a debate, it is a fact. Err no its not a fact. It part of the Sony Defense Force's propaganda. How do you define "a more powerful console"? In terms of games you cannot prove either platform is more powerful than the other. Most consumers see Gears of War as the current benchmark of what can be achieved in terms of graphics on a 360. The PS3 is currently in dire straits in the development world due to the inability of the Unreal Engine to run well on PS3. Is that Epics fault, is it Sony's, who knows? But it is safe to say that if the PS3 were clearly a more powerful console than the 360, then the UE3 engine would be running perfectly on it no? Best looking game I've seen on PS3 so far is probably Heavenly Sword yet it runs at 30fps at 720p and suffers from noticeable slowdown and jerky animation. GoW maintains a solid and smooth framerate even in hectic MP battles, and every model in it is far more impressive than HS enemies. Quote:
Back when I had a PS2 and not an Xbox I felt the same way. I ended up buying an Xbox when Halo came out. How does that work if Halo was an Xbox 1 launch title? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
No its not strange at all. There are no superb exclusives on PS3 yet (I really hope MGS4 can change that). I have RFOM, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword and I think Dead Rising and Crackdown are better than any of them. I find Eurogamer and EGM/1UP to be the most intelligent and least sycophantic reviews in gaming journalism. Of course, you would say that. 'Nuff said. Quote:
Sigma is a remade Xbox1 game with updated graphics, and VF5 is about to be released on 360 so is not really an exclusive anymore. I have taken the entire list of PS3 and 360 reviews in the metacritic db, removing games that are on both platforms or are PSN/XBLA. Sigma has many more levels than Black. Plus, the developers said it was reconstructed from the ground up. There is no Xbox game called Ninja Gaiden Sigma. It's obvious that this should be of the list. VF5 is about to be released when? It's a timed exclusive. You listed Eternal Sonata for the Xbox 360 and it's coming to the PS3. Therefore, VF5 should be on the list or Eternal Sonata should be taken off. Quote:
360 has 39 exclusive games rated 75 and above, PS3 has 4, how can you call that not far behind? Are you deranged? I'm not trying to fool anyone, the sales and reviews speak for themselves. The forum members who read this and enjoy gaming know that hardware and features in console wars are meaningless (PS1 vs Dreamcast, PS2 vs Xbox) and its all about good games. And why did you decide on 75 and above? Why not 80 and above like Astrakan? I'm thinking you wanted to squeeze a few more in on the Xbox 360 side. Even so, this does not explain why you did not list the 30+ named titles coming for the PS3. Surely, this would be something you would want to list, since it is vital to the whole "not far behind...catch up" debate, right? Hardware and features are meaningless in console wars, huh? I could give MANY examples, but I'll use just one. Take away the motion sensitive feature from the Wii and what would it mean for Nintendo? | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting graymadder: Quote:
Why bother bashing Halo 3 with the lame comment of hit not being in HD. Who cares if a cartoon is 1080p vs 720p or whatever. It's a game. who cares? The $300 mill in sales looks like people do not care about specs as much as "we" think they matter. As far as the Halo 3 not being in HD, why weren't people notify ahead of time. I think that would've had an effect some people's decision. They were mislead. Think about it. If HD games didn't matter, it wouldn't make sense to buy a new console. Do you see my point? Everyone could have stayed with the PS2 and original Xbox. We aren't staying with those are we? Also, I have the feeling that people would not be so easy going on the non-HD games if it was Sony that made a game at that resolution. Please tell me my feeling about that are unwarranted. Quote:
I have not seen a game that has been released or is coming out that i want. Until then, I have no need for a PS3. Don't want any of the follow gaming...Time Crisis 4, GT5, MGS4, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, White Knight Story, Tekken 6, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet & Clank Future, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus, Killzone 2, SOCOM, L.A. Noire, Heavy Rain, The Agency, the DC Universe MMO, etc? You want NONE of those?! That would be interesting. Quote:
The whole HW failure of the 360 is a problem, but i spent $50 on a 2yr warranty at Best Buy so I don't have that issue of sending it back and waiting. I am on my 2nd and expect to be on my 3rd here shortly. When this one crashes i will more than likely upgrade to the Elite version. Why do I have that feeling, again, that people would not feel that way if the PS3 had these issues? Besides the few concerns I have address here, I agree with you. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
As far as the Halo 3 not being in HD, why weren't people notify ahead of time. I think that would've had an effect some people's decision. They were mislead. Think about it. If HD games didn't matter, it wouldn't make sense to buy a new console. Do you see my point? Everyone could have stayed with the PS2 and original Xbox. We aren't staying with those are we? Nobody was mislead. I don't recall any ads that said anything about Halo 3 being in HD. This game sold the number it did because people wanted it. I don't know anybody that purchased a 'next-gen' console because of it's HD capabilities. They got them because they are required to play 'next-gen' games. A title designed for the PS3 or 360 will not play on the PS2 or Xbox. Quote:
Don't want any of the follow gaming...Time Crisis 4, GT5, MGS4, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, White Knight Story, Tekken 6, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet & Clank Future, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus, Killzone 2, SOCOM, L.A. Noire, Heavy Rain, The Agency, the DC Universe MMO, etc? You want NONE of those?! That would be interesting. Yet another arrogant statement. Just because you believe that people should want those games doesn't mean it is true. People have different tastes in games. I have seen a few games on each system that I might want to play, but nothing that has made me want to spend the money on a new console. Quote:
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The whole HW failure of the 360 is a problem, but i spent $50 on a 2yr warranty at Best Buy so I don't have that issue of sending it back and waiting. I am on my 2nd and expect to be on my 3rd here shortly. When this one crashes i will more than likely upgrade to the Elite version.
Why do I have that feeling, again, that people would not feel that way if the PS3 had these issues? I will say that this is another reason I haven't upgraded. Product failure is unacceptable. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 103 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting graymadder:
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The PS3 is a more powerful console than the 360. This isn't a debate, it is a fact.
Err no its not a fact. It part of the Sony Defense Force's propaganda. How do you define "a more powerful console"? In terms of games you cannot prove either platform is more powerful than the other. Most consumers see Gears of War as the current benchmark of what can be achieved in terms of graphics on a 360. The PS3 is currently in dire straits in the development world due to the inability of the Unreal Engine to run well on PS3. Is that Epics fault, is it Sony's, who knows? But it is safe to say that if the PS3 were clearly a more powerful console than the 360, then the UE3 engine would be running perfectly on it no? Best looking game I've seen on PS3 so far is probably Heavenly Sword yet it runs at 30fps at 720p and suffers from noticeable slowdown and jerky animation. GoW maintains a solid and smooth framerate even in hectic MP battles, and every model in it is far more impressive than HS enemies.
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Back when I had a PS2 and not an Xbox I felt the same way. I ended up buying an Xbox when Halo came out.
How does that work if Halo was an Xbox 1 launch title? Aside from missing my point and looking at it line by line for errors, the statment I made obviously needs a little more. You are stating the actual implemtation of the hardware with software and services where i was merely addressing the potential power it is capable of. And you are correct in that without implementation it does not matter how powerful it could be, it is only as powerful as the software that runs on it. As for my Xbox Halo comment my brain was ahead of my typing. I didn't care to read my post for errors, but with this crowd i guess i must. Since I am redoing this I will take the opportunity to expand ony my orignal thought. I bought the PS2 because it came out before the xbox and so it would seem that there were would be more titles availble. Since the Xbox wasn't due out for another year it made sense to me. Once the xbox was released and I played Halo, well I had to buy one. See how i compared and contrasted to the 360 and PS3 with Xbox and PS2 without alluding to them... | | | | Last edited: by graymadder |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 103 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Also, I have the feeling that people would not be so easy going on the non-HD games if it was Sony that made a game at that resolution. Please tell me my feeling about that are unwarranted.
Don't want any of the follow gaming...Time Crisis 4, GT5, MGS4, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, White Knight Story, Tekken 6, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet & Clank Future, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus, Killzone 2, SOCOM, L.A. Noire, Heavy Rain, The Agency, the DC Universe MMO, etc? You want NONE of those?! That would be interesting.
Why do I have that feeling, again, that people would not feel that way if the PS3 had these issues?
Besides the few concerns I have address here, I agree with you. of course there are people who would use that against Sony just as you have. But the fact remains, People don't care about HD in games and 7.1lossless audio and I am one of them. In movies and tv i do think it's matters. As long as the game is fun, who cares what resolution it's in. I still love old school games that have horrible graphics, but I still like to play them. Halo 3 doesn't appear to be lacking visually to me and the audio is just fine. Rather then spending a lot of time on appearances, i think it much more important on the playable factor. And yes all those games that coming out don't really intrigue me. Maybe La Noire, but i hear that isn't even on Rockstar's 2008 calendar. GT 5 actually peaks my interest. don't get me wrong, i am not saying those games suck, but those really are not my style. I am probably very much alone on this, but it's my preference. never really liked the whole final fantasy type games and the splinter cell/MGS games. Actually, and you won't like this at all, I will have a Wii before a PS3. Wii also proves that power and graphics are not that important to the general consumer. My wife totatlly wants a Wii, but she won't admit it to me. Maybe for xmas. It is well known here that i am a 360 fan and not a PS3. there is no need for me to degrade the PS3. If you like the software that's out for either console then by all means buy one and tell your friends what you think. But this is gone way too far. Where is this leading to? Locked (secured) forums for only 360 fans and you have to know a password to get in and the same for Wii and PS3? I mean really. A_S I am not trying to address you only, this is for all. But really this goes for everyone. why bother arguing over this, meaing this thread, why not post something that people will want to read and not debate over. Which by debate i mean argue and attempt to belittle everyone with opinons and what not. There is enough room for everyone to play nice. After this I will not reply to any post that is mean in nature. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Nobody was mislead. I don't recall any ads that said anything about Halo 3 being in HD. This game sold the number it did because people wanted it. Basically, "next-gen" implies HD for these consoles. Last-gen consoles had a couple HD titles. This gen is should be ALL HD. ATI said ALL games MUST run at 720p with NO slowdown and 4xAA. Here is that website... www.nforcershq.com/article3041.html. Halo 3 run at 640p and is upscaled to 720p and there are games that run at even lower resolutions (and upscaled to 720p). Then, on the back of the game cover it doesn't even mention 640p. It was NEVER meant for anyone to find out about this (at least until they made off with most of the loot). Quote:
I don't know anybody that purchased a 'next-gen' console because of it's HD capabilities. They got them because they are required to play 'next-gen' games. A title designed for the PS3 or 360 will not play on the PS2 or Xbox. Then, tell me how it makes sense to purchase a "next-gen" unit that gives you the same graphics, sound and gameplay of your current unit? What is a "next-gen" game? When they first launch they have no where near the amount of top titles that your current gen system, so why would you purchase that next-gen system? The same developers make these games, so they could have been on your current gen system in a graphically degraded form. Therefore, why would you buy a next-gen game if the same game can be made in a less graphical form? Have people just been deceiving themselves for so long that they can't even understand the reasons for "next-gen" consoles anymore? Quote:
Yet another arrogant statement. Just because you believe that people should want those games doesn't mean it is true. People have different tastes in games. I have seen a few games on each system that I might want to play, but nothing that has made me want to spend the money on a new console. You do understand how many different genres I hit with those titles, right? I didn't even list half of the exclusive titles coming soon to the PS3. I'm asking a simple question. Almost all gamers would have at least 1 of those titles I mentioned if given a choice. I asked out of ALL PS3 games announced (maybe he's not aware of all of those titles in the first place) was there absolutely NOTHING that peaked his interest. I think that's a fare question. I am fully aware that people have different tastes. There are a lot of different tastes I mentioned and a lot more tastes I didn't mention. I'm just trying to determine whether that was a statement was like someone saying they only like American food without even looking at, smelling, and/or tasting the prepared foods of other countries. It kind of like that. Can you understand where I'm coming from, now? Quote:
I will say that this is another reason I haven't upgraded. Product failure is unacceptable. That's how I feel about it. It just seems like a lot of people are just giving MS limited free passes and trying to check Sony at the door. I've heard of holding people or companies to a higher standard, but this is ridiculous. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting graymadder: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Also, I have the feeling that people would not be so easy going on the non-HD games if it was Sony that made a game at that resolution. Please tell me my feeling about that are unwarranted.
Don't want any of the follow gaming...Time Crisis 4, GT5, MGS4, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, White Knight Story, Tekken 6, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet & Clank Future, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus, Killzone 2, SOCOM, L.A. Noire, Heavy Rain, The Agency, the DC Universe MMO, etc? You want NONE of those?! That would be interesting.
Why do I have that feeling, again, that people would not feel that way if the PS3 had these issues?
Besides the few concerns I have address here, I agree with you.
of course there are people who would use that against Sony just as you have. But the fact remains, People don't care about HD in games and 7.1lossless audio and I am one of them. In movies and tv i do think it's matters. As long as the game is fun, who cares what resolution it's in. I still love old school games that have horrible graphics, but I still like to play them. Halo 3 doesn't appear to be lacking visually to me and the audio is just fine. Rather then spending a lot of time on appearances, i think it much more important on the playable factor.
And yes all those games that coming out don't really intrigue me. Maybe La Noire, but i hear that isn't even on Rockstar's 2008 calendar. GT 5 actually peaks my interest. don't get me wrong, i am not saying those games suck, but those really are not my style. I am probably very much alone on this, but it's my preference. never really liked the whole final fantasy type games and the splinter cell/MGS games. Actually, and you won't like this at all, I will have a Wii before a PS3. Wii also proves that power and graphics are not that important to the general consumer. My wife totatlly wants a Wii, but she won't admit it to me. Maybe for xmas.
It is well known here that i am a 360 fan and not a PS3. there is no need for me to degrade the PS3. If you like the software that's out for either console then by all means buy one and tell your friends what you think. But this is gone way too far. Where is this leading to? Locked (secured) forums for only 360 fans and you have to know a password to get in and the same for Wii and PS3? I mean really. A_S I am not trying to address you only, this is for all.
But really this goes for everyone. why bother arguing over this, meaing this thread, why not post something that people will want to read and not debate over. Which by debate i mean argue and attempt to belittle everyone with opinons and what not. There is enough room for everyone to play nice. After this I will not reply to any post that is mean in nature. I appreciate you expounding on your previous statements. I never had a problem with people that say upfront that they have brand loyalty. Personally, I have very little of that. I tend to go with the most technologically advanced equipment I can afford. That means by nature I have to do a lot of research to detemine that (same with Blu-ray and HD DVD and anything else). That's, also, why I got a Xbox 360 at launch. Anyway, you seem to have a good understanding of your thought processes and why you do the things you do. That is why I think we don't clash much. But, remember, you started this thread (I think). That means you have to throw up some new info, at least, once in awhile. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
VF5 is about to be released when? It's a timed exclusive. You listed Eternal Sonata for the Xbox 360 and it's coming to the PS3. Therefore, VF5 should be on the list or Eternal Sonata should be taken off. VF5 is out in 3 weeks, and Eternal Sonata has no release date other than a vague Spring 08 (Trusty Bell in Japanese), but feel free to remove Eternal Sonata from 360 and add VF5 to the PS3 list, doesn't really make a difference. Quote:
And why did you decide on 75 and above? Why not 80 and above like Astrakan? Because if you look at the links metacritic.com colour code the scores as green for 75 and up, yellow for 50-74 and red for less than 50. Quote:
Even so, this does not explain why you did not list the 30+ named titles coming for the PS3. Surely, this would be something you would want to list, since it is vital to the whole "not far behind...catch up" debate, right? Again are you being obstinate or just plain stupid? How are there going to be reviews published for games that aren't released yet? We have no idea if those are games are going to be good, not until they are finished. Quote:
Hardware and features are meaningless in console wars, huh? I could give MANY examples, but I'll use just one. Take away the motion sensitive feature from the Wii and what would it mean for Nintendo? Read my post, ACTUALLY READ IT! The Dreamcast was superior to the PS1 in hardware, better graphics, better sound, built in modem, but the PS1 had more games thanks to 3rd party support, Dreamcast died, Sega left the hardware market. The Xbox1 was much better in terms of hardware than the PS2, better graphics, proper 5.1 audio, built-in networking, hard drive, but the PS2 had a much bigger and thus better games library, thanks to its head start and 1st and 3rd party support. When you spam your ps3 superiority mantras over and over again (7.1 lossless audio, BD storage, CELL chip) you just don't realise its UTTERLY MEANINGLESS. Consumers don't give a damn about any of those points, they bought a PS2 because they saw Grand Theft Auto on it and said "I have to get one of those". In a recent survey most current PS3 owners didn't realise the machine could play HD movies. Quote:
Don't want any of the follow gaming...Time Crisis 4, GT5, MGS4, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, White Knight Story, Tekken 6, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet & Clank Future, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus, Killzone 2, SOCOM, L.A. Noire, Heavy Rain, The Agency, the DC Universe MMO, etc? You want NONE of those?! MGS4 is the only one of those I've preordered. I will wait for reviews on LittleBigPlanet, Tekken6, Uncharted and Killzone2, the rest I have no interest in whatsoever. Your pathetic jibes at Halo 3 really reveal how clueless and desperate you are. Do you think that all those consumers took back that $300 million they spent and requested refunds because the game is internally rendered at 640p instead of 720p? 3,534,115 Halo 3 Games were played in the last 24 hours, you think that the topic of discussion in each one was "man it sucks that this game is rendered at 80 less vertical pixels than my other 360 games"? Do us a favour, stay quiet till you can come back with some interesting debate or non-biased news about games and game consoles, because the console bashing really isnt going very well for you, you are having the same effect on people as you do in the other thread, ie turning them off Sony products. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Because if you look at the links metacritic.com colour code the scores as green for 75 and up, yellow for 50-74 and red for less than 50. I can accept that. Quote:
Again are you being obstinate or just plain stupid? How are there going to be reviews published for games that aren't released yet? We have no idea if those are games are going to be good, not until they are finished. You do realize that we are talking about being behind and catching up, right? Therefore, future titles have to be introduced under this topic to even have a debate about not being that far behind and catching up. I hope you know this. Otherwise it would be troubling to think that someone with that much wit missing is out walking around in the UK unsupervised. Quote:
Read my post, ACTUALLY READ IT! The Dreamcast was superior to the PS1 in hardware, better graphics, better sound, built in modem, but the PS1 had more games thanks to 3rd party support, Dreamcast died, Sega left the hardware market. The Xbox1 was much better in terms of hardware than the PS2, better graphics, proper 5.1 audio, built-in networking, hard drive, but the PS2 had a much bigger and thus better games library, thanks to its head start and 1st and 3rd party support. When you spam your ps3 superiority mantras over and over again (7.1 lossless audio, BD storage, CELL chip) you just don't realise its UTTERLY MEANINGLESS. Consumers don't give a damn about any of those points, they bought a PS2 because they saw Grand Theft Auto on it and said "I have to get one of those". In a recent survey most current PS3 owners didn't realise the machine could play HD movies. Read my post. It's should be short enough. There were many factors that contributed to the Dreamcast's failure. The main one was developer support (Wiki search for all the others). The PS3 has PLENTY developer support. Hell, Sony has a bunch of developers themselves and looking to possibly buy more developers. The breaks your little comparison apart right there. Then, SEGA had a history of dropping support for their console pretty early in their lifecycles to jump on the next thing. Again, this does not fit the PS3. Sony Playstations have 8 to 10 year lifecycles. Finally, SEGA didn't have the big pocket necessary to push the Dreamcast and keep it on the market. AGAIN, this does not fit the Sony. PS3 promotions are just beginning to start for this holiday season. Therefore, your comparison is not quite unfounded, but poor none-the-less. I've already done the features thing with you before. There's no need for me to type it out, again. Just re-read my earlier post. Quote:
MGS4 is the only one of those I've preordered. I will wait for reviews on LittleBigPlanet, Tekken6, Uncharted and Killzone2, the rest I have no interest in whatsoever. Well, that's definitely more than 1 title of interest. Just don't tell me something ridiculous like there are 40 titles that interest you on the Xbox 360. Quote:
Your pathetic jibes at Halo 3 really reveal how clueless and desperate you are. Do you think that all those consumers took back that $300 million they spent and requested refunds because the game is internally rendered at 640p instead of 720p? 3,534,115 Halo 3 Games were played in the last 24 hours, you think that the topic of discussion in each one was "man it sucks that this game is rendered at 80 less vertical pixels than my other 360 games"? I guess it's pathetic because it's true, huh? I say they should offer the refund suggested by you and let's see what happens. What does the amount of Halo 3 games played in 24 hours have to do with...anything? Also, the native resolution difference between Halo 3's 640p and HD 720p is about 200,000 pixels or so not showing up to the party (about a 20% loss in graphic detail). That's not so small. Just because you don't want to acknowledge something doesn't mean it isn't there. I guess I'm not the clueless one here. Quote:
Do us a favour, stay quiet till you can come back with some interesting debate or non-biased news about games and game consoles, because the console bashing really isnt going very well for you, you are having the same effect on people as you do in the other thread, ie turning them off Sony products. It appears it is you that is not doing so well due to your blatent oversights. Maybe you should do us the favor by staying quiet. All I ask is that you be fair about things. I posted a link (in a previous post) to where ATI and MS said ALL games will run at 720p with 4xAA. So, where is your MS shows more contempt speech. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would you?  | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
You do realize that we are talking about being behind and catching up, right? Therefore, future titles have to be introduced under this topic to even have a debate about not being that far behind and catching up. I hope you know this. Otherwise it would be troubling to think that someone with that much wit missing is out walking around in the UK unsupervised. Sorry but NO, I am talking about current lineups, because that's what people can play, if they buy the console right now. We can sit here and hype up future titles all day long, but it doesn't matter one bit, there is no way to tell if an unreleased title is any good, until its released. A console manufacturer can list a ton of upcoming exclusives, they could all be as bad as Genji or Lair, we just don't know. I could go on about upcoming 360 exclusives, but I don't, because I'm talking about the current lineups. Quote:
Well, that's definitely more than 1 title of interest. Just don't tell me something ridiculous like there are 40 titles that interest you on the Xbox 360. Well if you want me to talk about it then I will. There are a few upcoming 360 exclusives i'm currently interested in, Alan Wake, Ninja Gaiden 2 and possibly Splinter Cell and Mass Effect and when it drops in price I may pick up PGR4. But thanks to install base (ie I have way more friends on XBL than PSN) I will buy most multiplatform games on 360, unless the PS3 version is noticeably better. Quote:
I guess it's pathetic because it's true, huh? I say they should offer the refund suggested by you and let's see what happens. What does the amount of Halo 3 games played in 24 hours have to do with...anything? No its pathetic because it is pathetic. The game has been reviewed well, sold well, is currently being enjoyed by a huge community, and all you can say is "its not HD" and "$800 dollar bribes" won its universal critical acclaim? How about you try playing it instead, you never know, you might figure out its a fun game? It's your loss. Quote:
It appears it is you that is not doing so well due to your blatent oversights. Maybe you should do us the favor by staying quiet. All I ask is that you be fair about things. I posted a link (in a previous post) to where ATI and MS said ALL games will run at 720p with 4xAA. So, where is your MS shows more contempt speech. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would you? Buddy, "it appears" to you and you alone. Your link from May 2005 became moot on November 22 2005, when PGR3, a launch title, was not rendered at 720p with 4XAA. Was it still a good game? Yes. Did I enjoy its graphics, yes, it looked better than any racing game before it. There is no AA in Gears of War, yet it is still the best looking game on any console. ATI were happy to make many claims when pimping their hardware, but the reality is that developers can choose from many framebuffer sizes and AA configurations, its up to them to choose the tradeoff between visuals and performance. With H3, Bungie made the choice to use 2 1152x640 framebuffers, each rendering every frame at 2 different ends of the dynamic range in terms of lighting and then blending between them for their HDR effects, and letting the 360 scaler scale that to 720p or 1080i/p. That was their choice as developers as they felt the gain in lighting effects outweighed the loss of 80 pixels and kept the game at 30fps. This is especially important in H3 multiplayer competitive environments. This is much like Heavenly Sword or RFOM being rendered at 720p instead of 1080p (before PS3 launch Sony loved to tout the PS3s ability to render at 1080p, now - not so much), this is a necessary trade-off, and Heavenly Sword's visuals still look very impressive on the whole. | | | | Last edited: by stefc |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
it IS possible for a complete software emulation for the PS2 to be released for all PS3 (instead on the complete or partial hardware emulation that is currently implemented in the 60GB and 80GB PS3s).
Show me proof that Sony isn't working on a complete software solution. From JoystiqQuote:
"The 40GB PlayStation 3 models, devoid of any PS2-related semiconductors, will likely not have any options for backwards compatibility in the future. Speaking to Joystiq, SCEE Director of Corporate Communications Nick Sharples said that there are no plans to offer emulation software as downloadable content at a later date.
"We have no plans to do so at the moment. The sheer numbers of PS2 titles available, together with the increased complexity of using a software only solution for each and every title means that to ensure accurate software emulation for the majority would be technically challenging, time consuming and costly," he said.
"As we have mentioned on several occasions, our engineering resources are now focused on developing new and innovative features and services for the PS3 and, as a result the 40GB model does not have backwards compatibility with PS2 titles," he said. And you wonder why you are a joke in these forums... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Basically, "next-gen" implies HD for these consoles. Last-gen consoles had a couple HD titles. This gen is should be ALL HD. ATI said ALL games MUST run at 720p with NO slowdown and 4xAA. Here is that website... www.nforcershq.com/article3041.html. Halo 3 run at 640p and is upscaled to 720p and there are games that run at even lower resolutions (and upscaled to 720p). Then, on the back of the game cover it doesn't even mention 640p. It was NEVER meant for anyone to find out about this (at least until they made off with most of the loot). It may have been implied to you, but nobody I know...that purchased the game...thought it was going to be in HD. I don't know who you have been talking to, but nobody I know even complained that it wasn't in HD. Everybody I know is enjoying the game. This sure sounds like a bunch of FUD to me. Quote:
Then, tell me how it makes sense to purchase a "next-gen" unit that gives you the same graphics, sound and gameplay of your current unit? What is a "next-gen" game? When they first launch they have no where near the amount of top titles that your current gen system, so why would you purchase that next-gen system? The same developers make these games, so they could have been on your current gen system in a graphically degraded form. Therefore, why would you buy a next-gen game if the same game can be made in a less graphical form? Have people just been deceiving themselves for so long that they can't even understand the reasons for "next-gen" consoles anymore? First, I never said it makes sense...yet another reason why I haven't upgraded. Second, better graphics and performance don't automatically equal HD. That is an assumption you made. It seems that assumption was wrong. Quote:
You do understand how many different genres I hit with those titles, right? I didn't even list half of the exclusive titles coming soon to the PS3. I'm asking a simple question. Almost all gamers would have at least 1 of those titles I mentioned if given a choice. I asked out of ALL PS3 games announced (maybe he's not aware of all of those titles in the first place) was there absolutely NOTHING that peaked his interest. I think that's a fare question.
I am fully aware that people have different tastes. There are a lot of different tastes I mentioned and a lot more tastes I didn't mention. I'm just trying to determine whether that was a statement was like someone saying they only like American food without even looking at, smelling, and/or tasting the prepared foods of other countries. It kind of like that. Can you understand where I'm coming from, now? Yes, this goes back to our last conversation about the PS2's vast library of games vs the Xbox's minimal library. I can honestly say that I didn't want to play a single PS2 exclusive. I got the Xbox for very specific games. It is the same situation here. While some games have made me take a second look, none of them have made me pry open my wallet. The fact that you can't understand that is just bizarre. Quote:
That's how I feel about it. It just seems like a lot of people are just giving MS limited free passes and trying to check Sony at the door. I've heard of holding people or companies to a higher standard, but this is ridiculous. I don't disagree. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting graymadder: Quote:
But the fact remains, People don't care about HD in games and 7.1lossless audio and I am one of them. I care about HD games and prefer them. Dragon's Lair on the xbox was the first game ever made that was in true HD - and it made the game all that much better. I don't like to see pixels in games on current-gen game consoles. And yes, I like old-school games that render out at TV resolution. I'm even building an arcade cabinet to play MAME. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote:
it IS possible for a complete software emulation for the PS2 to be released for all PS3 (instead on the complete or partial hardware emulation that is currently implemented in the 60GB and 80GB PS3s).
Show me proof that Sony isn't working on a complete software solution.
From Joystiq
Quote:
"The 40GB PlayStation 3 models, devoid of any PS2-related semiconductors, will likely not have any options for backwards compatibility in the future. Speaking to Joystiq, SCEE Director of Corporate Communications Nick Sharples said that there are no plans to offer emulation software as downloadable content at a later date.
"We have no plans to do so at the moment. The sheer numbers of PS2 titles available, together with the increased complexity of using a software only solution for each and every title means that to ensure accurate software emulation for the majority would be technically challenging, time consuming and costly," he said.
"As we have mentioned on several occasions, our engineering resources are now focused on developing new and innovative features and services for the PS3 and, as a result the 40GB model does not have backwards compatibility with PS2 titles," he said.
And you wonder why you are a joke in these forums... "No plans" like "no plans" for a price cut on the 60GB in August? "No plans" like "no plans" for PSP price cuts. Which "no plans" is it? Understand? | | | To err is human...
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