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 Fixing an obvious error in the end credits (Locked) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't need to, Tim. i know the Rules, sir. If anyone needs to understand the Rules it is YOU, and I was I have said the facts of your position relative to the Rules speak for themselves, I will not stoop to your insulting and offensive tactics.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
What is a lie there, Tim. The Rules say:
"For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited." Still stuck on that?! Let me refer you back to James' excellent post on page four - he addresses this mis-interpretation of yours (one of many, it seems) in detail: click! Really: despite ten pages of explanations, despite the fact that we already had a pretty good consensus back in March ( click!), and despite Ken's multiple clarifications, you're now starting at square one again? Have you really just ignored everything that has been said here? No wonder you don't get it. Seriously: just let it go. Logic, common sense, accuracy and usability won out. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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North:
And I have explained the way to do it.  That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
Skip
But she's not uncredited. The character that she plays is in fact listed in the credits, so how can you say she is not credited? She's credited using a name which is different from her own, therefore we use the "credited as" feature.
That's like saying that if a movie had the following credit:
Marion Morrison as The Cowboy
then we should actually enter it into DVDP as:
John Wayne [Marion Morrison] as The Cowboy (uncredited)
I don't think so!
That is quite possibly the lamest argument i have ever seen you make , Hal. Where in the film is Sandra credited as playing Ida...she is NOT is she. NOT CREDITED. The Ida role is an (uncredited) role (relative to Sandra) which can be documented as Sandra. It could be conceivably be listed Sandra as Herself (uncredited), this would also meet the criteria I have outlined above. But it would seem more consistent to stay with the ACTUAL role name and define the actress. The most important item above is the elimination of user interpreted data, which is AGAINST the Rules as I have outlined. You follow the Rules and in a case such as this try and develop a plan that will accomplish the objective that Tim wqants to achieve WITHOUT breaking the Rules. I have demonstrated how that can be done and all Tim wants to do is IGNORE THE RULES.
Skip
Skip Based on your argument, John Wayne is also not credited in my example and it would have to be entered: John Wayne [Marion Morrison] as The Cowboy (uncredited) Is that really your position????  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
What is a lie there, Tim. The Rules say:
"For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited." Ken has clarified the rule to say (paraphrasing) that left/right issues don't violate this rule. He's even further clarified how the issue in Miss Congeniality is to be resolved. You are still voting against his clarification. You cannot let that vote stand and still claim high moral ground here. You can say that a corner is not a corner and there's no paint on the floor, but neither is true. The reality that you seem unwilling to see is that your credibility is taking a beating by your refusal to follow what we've been told. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I don't need to, Tim. i know the Rules, sir. If anyone needs to understand the Rules it is YOU, and I was I have said the facts of your position relative to the Rules speak for themselves, I will not stoop to your insulting and offensive tactics. You are dancing around the fact that Ken has clarified the rule. A few times. Until you acknowledge that fact, you are in a death spiral here in the forums. You are trying to turn this around on Tim when in fact it's your denial of Ken's clarification that is at issue here. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | THAT would be consistent with the Rules, Hal, any other way is not. However, Hal permit to point that what you throw out is a straw man unrelated to a HIMSELF/HERSELF credit.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | James:
Permit tyo me suggest again that you don't know all that you think you know.
HINT.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
James:
Permit tyo me suggest again that you don't know all that you think you know.
HINT.
Skip That still doesn't explain your vote against Ken's specific example. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Take it private, James.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
THAT would be consistent with the Rules, Hal, any other way is not. However, Hal permit to point that what you throw out is a straw man unrelated to a HIMSELF/HERSELF credit.
Skip So please explain to me why we have a "Credited As" feature in the program if we are going to mark these entries as (uncredited). To take this to the extreme: If a movie lists: Lon Chaney Jr as The Wolfman And we find that "Lon Chaney, Jr." is the "common name per the CLT, by your argument we would have to enter this credit in DVDP as: Lon Chaney, Jr. [Lon Chaney Jr] as The Wolfman (uncredited) because "Lon Chaney, Jr." is NOT the name in the credits, therefore "Lon Chaney, Jr." is uncredited. You can't be serious! It is not a strawman. Your statement is that "Sandra Bullock" is not listed in the credits, therefore she must be (uncredited). "Lon Chaney, Jr." is not listed in the credits, therefore according to you, he must be listed as (uncredited)! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Take it private, James.
Skip You've made a public vote which is contrary to what we've all been told in a public discussion. This is not a private matter. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal:
I am trying to resolve this. The Credited As feature for these doesn't help any, at least not to Tim's satisfaction. Herself is the Credited Name and if we use that you will get a whole bunch of Herselfs when you check the credit lists. Tim would like for that data to be a bit more specific, and I understand that. The best way to achieve what Tim wants to achieve is as I outlined. You don't do it by violating the Rules to achieve a personal interpretation of the data, this has been my position from DAY ONE. I have two choices given the Rules, I can say it's a straight up personal interpretation KEEP IT LOCAL, I chose instead to try and come up with a way to achieve Tim's desired objective. And for that I get villified, the Rules are what they have always been and I will always stan in defiance of ANY user-interpretation of the data, but i will when it it is feasible try to find a workable solution, sadly that is not enough for Tim, he wants to be able to ignore the Rules in order to apply his personal interpretation.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Take it private, James.
Skip
You've made a public vote which is contrary to what we've all been told in a public discussion. This is not a private matter. Fine, James, it's is now up to you. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Take it private, James.
Skip
You've made a public vote which is contrary to what we've all been told in a public discussion. This is not a private matter.
Fine, James, it's is now up to you.
Skip It's up to me as to why you won't explain voting against Ken's directive. Good one.   | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You want answers (oh it's so tempting) I have told you how. Now the ball is in your court. you can call me as well, since i have to leave. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You want answers? Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I want the truth! Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You can't handle the truth!  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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