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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBattling Butler
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Excellent article! Thanks for posting 
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Very good read...and optimistic . I may take the plunge here shortly...purchasing both format players. Just waiting till the BD price comes down a tad more .
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I already went HD, but will go Blu soon too (I think)
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Yet another great article by Josh.  Thanks!
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Lossless audio: Blu-ray - 234 titles | HD DVD - 69 titles


Specs Vs. Reality
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Lossless audio: Blu-ray - 234 titles | HD DVD - 69 titles


Specs Vs. Reality



thanks Mark. It so refreshing to read well written discussions of Hi-Def. His comments about spec-happy, "agenda-driven" individuals is right on-point:

"On the flip side of that coin, we have countless cases of agenda-driven individuals attempting to use a partial understanding of technical matters as a bludgeon in arguments supposedly "proving" the superiority of one format over the other. Anyone who's spent time browsing home theater discussion forums has suffered through an endless string of debates about how the HD DVD format "sucks" because its discs can only store 30 gb of content, while Blu-ray discs can store up to 50 gb, and therefore must be amazingly superior. Never mind that HD DVD has time and again proven capable of delivering exceptional picture and sound quality, plus copious bonus material, easily equaling even the best available on Blu-ray. At the same time, there are others who point to the occasional Blu-ray encoded with MPEG-2 compression as being "unacceptable", even though MPEG-2 can certainly achieve excellent results when given enough room to breathe (witness 'Black Hawk Down'). To some people, the actual quality presented to them is irrelevant if they don't like the sound of the specs on paper."
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hmm,

more from Joshua Zyber's article:

"This "specs above all else" mentality has reared its ugly head again recently with the release of 'Transformers' on HD DVD, a title that delivers stunning video and audio, as well as a number of innovative interactive features. What could possibly be the problem here? Well, the soundtrack is only encoded in Dolby Digital Plus format, not a lossless codec such as Dolby TrueHD or an uncompressed one like PCM. In his review of the disc for this site, our Peter Bracke gave the DD+ track a perfect "5" for audio quality and said of it that, "Directionality, imaging, accuracy of localized effects, and the sheer depth of the soundfield are all fantastic stuff." Nonetheless, in the minds of many, this disc is a huge failure, and its soundtrack a pathetic disgrace for not including a TrueHD or PCM option."
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This is a great read!!!  The more I think about it, the more this article hits the truth on the nose.  I will wait to see how BD does this upcoming Christmas with their price drops and I will probably purchase an entry level player to go along with my recent HD-DVD purchase. 

In the end I honestly don't care who wins the format war as long as the consumers (like me) get what we want, cheap affordable Hi-Def hardware with cheap Hi-Def movies (complete studio catalogs please)!!!  Secretly, I hope BD goes down in flames just so ASC shuts the @#$% up!!!

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Well Asc the question was simple, what does a person gain by having a 42 inch 1080p display? Yes, there are more pixels but the fact remains that there in absolutely NO visual advantage to having the extra pixels. Even when compared to a 720p 42 inch plasma, there still isn't an advantage. You're still wrong. I thought for sure you would habe known that. Or at the very least been able to mention that there is no discernible visual difference in that size.

You are saying there is "NO visual advantage to having the extra pixels"?  That, again, is crazy talk.  From that statement, I should be about to watch a 480p program and a 720p program and see NO difference.   You almost sound like Joshua Z.  I'm sure SOME people can't tell the difference, but does that include EVERYONE.  Or, maybe ONLY the people you deem lacking in the ability to tell the difference the ones you want to cater to.

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How are you comparing PC speakers to amplifier output? Lost me on that one. You don't need to "school me" on how different manufacturers rate products.

You mean you didn't know they are both rated via Watts?  If you did know that, how could I lose you on that one?

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The point was is that stats and tech specs can be incredibly misleading and you are too caught up in them. When it comes down to it the technical aspects of each format don't really matter except when they are listed on paper.

My point is that specs DO mean something. 

Example: There are two cars on a track.  The cars have different costs (one is $25,000 and the other one is $30,000).  The lower cost cars has a nice list of SPECS (low curb weight, somewhat underpowered, decent interior, etc.).  The other car has a BETTER list of SPECS (lower curb weight, more powerful, better interior, etc.).  Would you pick the lower cost car expecting it to be the SAME as the other car? 

Do you usually pick out the lowest priced A/V receiver wen you go shopping for one?  Do you just pick the lowest priced TV when you go to purchase one?  Do you just pick the lowest priced speakers when you are shopping for them?  Or, do you compare specs when comparing items?  One of your home theater questions asked which TV would a pick out of a 10,000:1 (on/off) or 3,000:1 on checkboard pattern.  THOSE ARE SPECS.  Therefore, SPECS DO MATTER.  Why would you let someone fool you into thinking otherwise?

Horsepower, curb weight, gas mileage, the type of system in the car, how many miles it has on it, warranty on it, 0 to 60Mph, 100Mph to 0, calories in products, amount of fat in products, amount of sugar in products, THEY ARE ALL SPECS.  Specs (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO READ THEM CORRECTLY) let's you know what's better. 

If you DON'T know how to read them, you can be EASILY convinced that they don't really matter.  If that group of people vote as the majority, they would doom ALL the others to their limits.  That would be MIGHTY selfish wouldn't it?  Think about it.
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Lossless audio: Blu-ray - 234 titles | HD DVD - 69 titles


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Just in case you didn't know, 234 lossless Blu-ray titles to 69 lossless HD DVD titles IS REALITY.  That's a BENEFIT of having BETTER SPECS.
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This is a great read!!!  The more I think about it, the more this article hits the truth on the nose.  I will wait to see how BD does this upcoming Christmas with their price drops and I will probably purchase an entry level player to go along with my recent HD-DVD purchase. 

In the end I honestly don't care who wins the format war as long as the consumers (like me) get what we want, cheap affordable Hi-Def hardware with cheap Hi-Def movies (complete studio catalogs please)!!!  Secretly, I hope BD goes down in flames just so ASC shuts the @#$% up!!!


How can you wish Blu-ray goes down, IN SECRET, when you just wrote it here for EVERYONE to see?   
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It's funny how Joshua Z contradicts himself from article to article.  In some of his other articles, he talks about certain things don't make a difference (Deep Color, lossless, etc.).  Then, he comes back in this article and says he want his movies in the BEST QUALITY.  Which is it?  Both can't be true.  If you talk about ho certain things like not having lossless and the greatest PQ a consumer product has to offer, you are NOT about the BEST QUALITY movies.  The best quality is, generally, achieved through the greater specs.  Blu-ray has the greater specs, greater number of movies with lossless audio, and the better rated PQ from numerous sites and climbing.

Now, people have to figure out if they just want to be lied to and manipulated via Joshua Z.
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It's funny how Joshua Z contradicts himself from article to article.  In some of his other articles, he talks about certain things don't make a difference (Deep Color, lossless, etc.).  Then, he comes back in this article and says he want his movies in the BEST QUALITY.  Which is it?  Both can't be true.  If you talk about ho certain things like not having lossless and the greatest PQ a consumer product has to offer, you are NOT about the BEST QUALITY movies.  The best quality is, generally, achieved through the greater specs.  Blu-ray has the greater specs, greater number of movies with lossless audio, and the better rated PQ from numerous sites and climbing.

Now, people have to figure out if they just want to be lied to and manipulated via Joshua Z.


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This is a great read!!!  The more I think about it, the more this article hits the truth on the nose.  I will wait to see how BD does this upcoming Christmas with their price drops and I will probably purchase an entry level player to go along with my recent HD-DVD purchase. 

In the end I honestly don't care who wins the format war as long as the consumers (like me) get what we want, cheap affordable Hi-Def hardware with cheap Hi-Def movies (complete studio catalogs please)!!!  Secretly, I hope BD goes down in flames just so ASC shuts the @#$% up!!!


How can you wish Blu-ray goes down, IN SECRET, when you just wrote it here for EVERYONE to see?   


Oh damn, ya got me!!!  You are definitely not the sharpest tool in the toolbox, though you are definitely a TOOL!!!   
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It's funny how Joshua Z contradicts himself from article to article.  In some of his other articles, he talks about certain things don't make a difference (Deep Color, lossless, etc.).  Then, he comes back in this article and says he want his movies in the BEST QUALITY.  Which is it?  Both can't be true.  If you talk about ho certain things like not having lossless and the greatest PQ a consumer product has to offer, you are NOT about the BEST QUALITY movies.  The best quality is, generally, achieved through the greater specs.  Blu-ray has the greater specs, greater number of movies with lossless audio, and the better rated PQ from numerous sites and climbing.

Now, people have to figure out if they just want to be lied to and manipulated via Joshua Z.



     
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Asc...Please find and post just ONE credible source that would tell me that there is a visual advantage to having 1080p on a display under 50 inches. Just one. I have yet to see (even ONE) CREDIBLE report of anyone seeing a visual difference between 1080i and 1080p on ANY display under 50 inches. Prove me wrong.

There is no comparison between power handling of a pc speaker and the rated power output of a receiver. None. You can't honestly expect me to find value to comparing two products from entriely different cateories, can you? Why don't we just compare a DVD player to a turntable?

Of course I look at specs when I choose my purchases. I'm not naive. I do however know that specs can be incredibly misleading. The contrast example I used is the perfect example. Some manufacturers claim a contrast ration of 10,000:1 which sounds really good. In the real world what can one expect from it though? Maybe 1500:1. Then again, look at a display measured with the checkerboard pattern at 3000:1 and that's going to be far more accurate in real world use. SO, even though 10,000:1 from a technical standpoint sounds far better than 3000:1 it can mean absolutely nothing when it comes to performance.

I NEVER said that specs mean nothing. I simply said that people can use it as a crutch to justify one product over another when real world performance proves otherwise. Much like HD DVD and Blu-ray. When it comes down to it, the performance of BOTH formats are widely considered equal, regardless of technical specifications. A person who relies on paper performance is simply not informed enough to make a justified purchasing decision...

For the record, price has NEVER dictated any of my home theater purchases.
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