And all that is needed from you is Ok, my mistake, thanks for clarifying. You don't need to belabor and argue the point, as if you KNEW what it meant.

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Which is EXACTLY why this poll needs to be done over.

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There's that arrogance again.

Give it a rest.

It was far into the thread where the concept of "main cast = cast who appear in every episode" was discussed and it was not proposed by you, but by Unicus!

The first post in this thread does not define main cast at all, it only talks about "Most TV shows have a basic set of characters that appear in the, usually the Opening of the show".

This definition is wholly inadequate to describe what constitutes "main cast" which lead to pages and pages of discussion about how to define it.

It is no wonder this poll has taken the track that it did.  It was poorly written to start with!

Let's not be obtuse here, OK?  We ALL know what the main cast is, and we ALL know that there are several ways of presenting those cast members.

Let's also stipulate that at some point, somebody is going to have to watch the stupid program to be able to list ANY of the cast, main or not.

So, let's not go off the deep end and make out like its such a huge trial putting the main cast at the top.  It's a pain in the ass to do ANY of it, truth be told!

But let's list a few definitions here, just to see if anything flies:

Main Cast:  Those cast members who are the primary characters and are usually listed at the beginning of the show in some way, which may also include recurring guest stars.  Primary cast members who do not appear in every episode should still be listed as Main Cast.  Use the cast order listed in the first episode even if the order changes somewhat over the course of the remaining episodes.

Extra Cast:  Those cast members that play credited roles and are listed at the end of the episode is some fashion.

So, this would look like this:

Main Cast
    A
    B
    C

Episode 1
    Extra Cast
Episode 2
    Extra Cast

etc.

Now, that takes care of entering multiple instances of the same cast members, AND lays out a remedy for the order if it should change over the season.  This will not be any harder to do initially than constantly entering duplicate names under each episode.  The first time its done is the hard part, after that it's fairly easy to deal with.

I would also say that for sake of brevity, we should stipulate that cast/crew lists be done on a disc by disc basis so that we don't have to wade through a whole season's worth of list on every profile.

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Let's not be obtuse here, OK?  We ALL know what the main cast is, and we ALL know that there are several ways of presenting those cast members.

Let's also stipulate that at some point, somebody is going to have to watch the stupid program to be able to list ANY of the cast, main or not.

So, let's not go off the deep end and make out like its such a huge trial putting the main cast at the top.  It's a pain in the ass to do ANY of it, truth be told!

But let's list a few definitions here, just to see if anything flies:

Main Cast:  Those cast members who are the primary characters and are usually listed at the beginning of the show in some way, which may also include recurring guest stars.  Primary cast members who do not appear in every episode should still be listed as Main Cast.  Use the cast order listed in the first episode even if the order changes somewhat over the course of the remaining episodes.

Extra Cast:  Those cast members that play credited roles and are listed at the end of the episode is some fashion.

So, this would look like this:

Main Cast
    A
    B
    C

Episode 1
    Extra Cast
Episode 2
    Extra Cast

etc.

Now, that takes care of entering multiple instances of the same cast members, AND lays out a remedy for the order if it should change over the season.  This will not be any harder to do initially than constantly entering duplicate names under each episode.  The first time its done is the hard part, after that it's fairly easy to deal with.

I would also say that for sake of brevity, we should stipulate that cast/crew lists be done on a disc by disc basis so that we don't have to wade through a whole season's worth of list on every profile.

Why would recurring cast (not credited in every episode) go with main cast?... I for one want to know which of the episodes they are actually in. Now that we have the capability to know who is in which episode. I for one don't want to look at it and say well these people are in this set or on this disc... but not know which episodes... that just makes no sense to me what so ever!

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It really doesn't make any sense NOT to use Option 2. You have a LOT less opportunity for "But this is different!" cases, and makes it simple and easy without any argument for every episode.

If you think it's too much work, then don't do it - leave it to those who are willing to do the work.

Simple.

That isn't the point, and you know it.  Why is everybody all of a sudden so willing to go the easy route with all the duplication it entails, when initially everybody thought (and stills thinks for all I know) #1 looked better.  It is certainly easier to use from a lookup standpoint, in my opinion.

I disagree... especially with you wanting to put recurring cast that is not credited in every episode in with the main cast... that way seriously hinders the lookup for those actors.... you have no idea which episodes to look for them in!

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It really doesn't make any sense NOT to use Option 2. You have a LOT less opportunity for "But this is different!" cases, and makes it simple and easy without any argument for every episode.

If you think it's too much work, then don't do it - leave it to those who are willing to do the work.

Simple.

That isn't the point, and you know it.  Why is everybody all of a sudden so willing to go the easy route with all the duplication it entails, when initially everybody thought (and stills thinks for all I know) #1 looked better.  It is certainly easier to use from a lookup standpoint, in my opinion.

I disagree... especially with you wanting to put recurring cast that is not credited in every episode in with the main cast... that way seriously hinders the lookup for those actors.... you have no idea which episodes to look for them in!

Not to mention you bring up the whole debate of "Who is a recurring cast member?" If someone's in a two-episode story-arc, are they suddenly "recurring cast"? Of course not.

Option #1 is really absurd, the more you think about it. It brings up so many new topics for debate based on each individual TV series. Option 2 is simple, easy, follows the rules more, is more accurate, and so on.

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It really doesn't make any sense NOT to use Option 2. You have a LOT less opportunity for "But this is different!" cases, and makes it simple and easy without any argument for every episode.

If you think it's too much work, then don't do it - leave it to those who are willing to do the work.

Simple.

That isn't the point, and you know it.  Why is everybody all of a sudden so willing to go the easy route with all the duplication it entails, when initially everybody thought (and stills thinks for all I know) #1 looked better.  It is certainly easier to use from a lookup standpoint, in my opinion.

I disagree... especially with you wanting to put recurring cast that is not credited in every episode in with the main cast... that way seriously hinders the lookup for those actors.... you have no idea which episodes to look for them in!

Then you don't understand what 'recurring cast' is.  Recurring means 'over and over' as in they appear in episodes numerous times.  By the way, MAIN cast members (to use your def) can also not be in every episode and still be listed as cast.  Same thing from the other direction.  Main cast and recurring cast are the same if they are credited at the front of the show.

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It really doesn't make any sense NOT to use Option 2. You have a LOT less opportunity for "But this is different!" cases, and makes it simple and easy without any argument for every episode.

If you think it's too much work, then don't do it - leave it to those who are willing to do the work.

Simple.

That isn't the point, and you know it.  Why is everybody all of a sudden so willing to go the easy route with all the duplication it entails, when initially everybody thought (and stills thinks for all I know) #1 looked better.  It is certainly easier to use from a lookup standpoint, in my opinion.

I disagree... especially with you wanting to put recurring cast that is not credited in every episode in with the main cast... that way seriously hinders the lookup for those actors.... you have no idea which episodes to look for them in!

Then you don't understand what 'recurring cast' is.  Recurring means 'over and over' as in they appear in episodes numerous times.  By the way, MAIN cast members (to use your def) can also not be in every episode and still be listed as cast.  Same thing from the other direction.  Main cast and recurring cast are the same if they are credited at the front of the show.

So are you ready for the poll we'll have to create to define what numerous is? Is it three episodes? Five? Ten? That's where you're headed. It makes no sense, is pointless, and wastes time. Option #2 is the simple solution that solves all problems.