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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, at least I now know which contributions I have to take a longer look at. I guess something good came out of this. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Well, at least I now know which contributions I have to take a longer look at. I guess something good came out of this. Me too. You are ignoring part of the Rules as well. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: Well, at least I now know which contributions I have to take a longer look at. I guess something good came out of this.
Me too. You are ignoring part of the Rules as well. Have I ever claimed otherwise? I freely admit that I ignore the rule that can't be followed, and follow the crew credit chart instead. As far as I can tell, every single user does the same thing. If they didn't, we wouldn't have any crew credits, now would we? The problem I have with your, and T!M's, contributions is you are entering credits that aren't supported by either the rule or the chart. You can't say the same thing about mine as my contributions will always match the chart. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting RHo:
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Sorry, but that simply isn't true. As I already explained...though I think James did a better job of it...the notes allow us to enter those credits.
Now I'm confused.
If you agree with my long-winded analysis, then you agree that the Notes Column is irrelevant when determining allowable credits. The only column that the Rules tell us to use is the "Credited As" column. But we know from several discussions that this column can not be meant to be concluding. Specially since there are empty entries.
If you had read my whole post on this, you would see that I addressed the "empty" ones. You have addressed the empty ones (in another post, not the one I've quoted). But they are not addressed in the rules. Therefore my claim that the column can not be concluding still stands. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Well, at least I now know which contributions I have to take a longer look at. I guess something good came out of this. I honestly haven't been following along for 14 pages but this struck me. You might as well include me on the longer look because I know for a fact that I added the supervising editor for the Hammer films, since nobody else was credited and he actually did the job. On a sidenote, the awards plugin is a source of constant entertainment for me. It's a hoot to see which films were nominated for Academy awards and then notice that the person isn't in the Profiler crew credits. I've actually pulled a few off the shelf and double-checked. Sure enough, they are there but their title wording is subtly different and doesn't appear in the approved credit matrix. Therefore they are denied Profiler credit while Hollywood was willing to give them their highest award. You gotta love that. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Have I ever claimed otherwise? I freely admit that I ignore the rule that can't be followed, and follow the crew credit chart instead. As far as I can tell, every single user does the same thing. If they didn't, we wouldn't have any crew credits, now would we?
The problem I have with your, and T!M's, contributions is you are entering credits that aren't supported by either the rule or the chart. You can't say the same thing about mine as my contributions will always match the chart. In other words, you can decide which parts of the Rules to ignore because you cannot figure out how to apply them, but others do not have the same liberty. Whatever. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: In other words, you can decide which parts of the Rules to ignore because you cannot figure out how to apply them, but others do not have the same liberty. It has nothing to do with what I can or can not figure out, nice try at an insult though. Spin it any way you want, the rule...as written...means we have no crew data. Rather than making assumptions as to what it might mean or what was and wasn't a mistake, I decided to ignore the written portion of the rule. Again, something I freely admit. Quote: Whatever. Wow, I just had a flashback to Junior High. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: In other words, you can decide which parts of the Rules to ignore because you cannot figure out how to apply them, but others do not have the same liberty.
It has nothing to do with what I can or can not figure out, nice try at an insult though.
Spin it any way you want, the rule...as written...means we have no crew data. Rather than making assumptions as to what it might mean or what was and wasn't a mistake, I decided to ignore the written portion of the rule. Again, something I freely admit. Quote: Whatever. Once again, your position is that it is OK for you to read the Rules, make a decision that parts are incompatible and then make your personal choice about which part to follow and which part to ignore. At the same time, you more than imply that others cannot do the same thing when it does not align with your interpretation of what is correct. And you see no inconsistency with that. This is beginning to remind me other a certain other intractable user around here. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: This is beginning to remind me other a certain other intractable user around here. Funnily I have the same impression, but not concerning Unicus | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This is beginning to remind me other a certain other intractable user around here. Funnily I have the same impression, but not concerning Unicus I'd just like to understand why one user's personal interpretation of the Rules should override another's. Technically, neither is correct. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I'd just like to understand why one user's personal interpretation of the Rules should override another's.
Technically, neither is correct. Probably there is no understanding this. I'll grant you that if you take the exact wording of the rules (which don't leave much space for interpretation) neither interpretation is correct. (Even though it still doesn't make much sense not to enter an Art Director if he's credited so) So probably this whole thread got so emotional because two topics got mixed up. The notorious SP, where I think we agree that he shouldn't be entered (because he's not mentionend at all in the chart). And the error with the missing Art Director, which, in combination with the other supervisors, was used to justify the SP entries. So everyone in the "rules commitee"-forum please take over. I think this discussion gave a lot of hints where the rules need a fix (if not a rebuild). | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Once again, your position is that it is OK for you to read the Rules, make a decision that parts are incompatible and then make your personal choice about which part to follow and which part to ignore. It isn't a decision that I made. The fact that the rule tells us to use a column that doesn't exist makes them incompatible. The fact that you are making assumptions as to what it is supposed to mean doesn't change anything. Quote: At the same time, you more than imply that others cannot do the same thing when it does not align with your interpretation of what is correct. I implied nothing of the sort. Let's be clear, yet again, the 'correct' way would be for us to follow the rule as written...which would mean no crew data. This is a fact that you have admitted. Anything that differs from that is, by default, incorrect. That means your interpretation is incorrect and my interpretation is incorrect...again, something I have freely admitted. Quote: And you see no inconsistency with that. There is no inconsistency because I didn't do what you claim I did. I never said your way was wrong and my way was right. I simply said that I didn't agree with your method, for reasons that I outlined, and that mine was the simplest. Quote: This is beginning to remind me other a certain other intractable user around here. Oh please, at least I picked a position and stuck with it. You, on the other hand, have admitted to violating your own interpretation of the rule. Talk about inconsistency. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Once again, your position is that it is OK for you to read the Rules, make a decision that parts are incompatible and then make your personal choice about which part to follow and which part to ignore.
It isn't a decision that I made. The fact that the rule tells us to use a column that doesn't exist makes them incompatible. The fact that you are making assumptions as to what it is supposed to mean doesn't change anything.
Quote: At the same time, you more than imply that others cannot do the same thing when it does not align with your interpretation of what is correct.
I implied nothing of the sort. Let's be clear, yet again, the 'correct' way would be for us to follow the rule as written...which would mean no crew data. This is a fact that you have admitted. Anything that differs from that is, by default, incorrect.
That means your interpretation is incorrect and my interpretation is incorrect...again, something I have freely admitted.
Quote: And you see no inconsistency with that.
There is no inconsistency because I didn't do what you claim I did. I never said your way was wrong and my way was right. I simply said that I didn't agree with your method, for reasons that I outlined, and that mine was the simplest.
Quote: This is beginning to remind me other a certain other intractable user around here.
Oh please, at least I picked a position and stuck with it. You, on the other hand, have admitted to violating your own interpretation of the rule. Talk about inconsistency. Yes, of course you are right. Happy now? | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Yes, of course you are right. I already knew I was right, but thanks for admitting it. Quote: Happy now? It would be a sad day, indeed, if my happiness hinged on an internet forum. Fortunately, for me at least, it doesn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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