Quoting skipnet50:

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I voted against it as I said I would, Tim. You do NOT have anyt right to determine what the Rules are or are NOT. Read the Rules and the Studios Thread, Tim, you are in violation of them and as i said had you not made your public announcement....But I take a very dim view of users who think they can do whatever they please.

For now the Rule is what it is, as you have told me many times any change must come from Ken...certainly NOT you. You have me so angry over your earlier announcement i am not even sure if i w9ould accept a mea culpa. But I'll sleep on it. You ceratinly aren't going to get anywhjere with your continued garbage and crap Contributions. The Rule is what it is for NOW.

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There actually is no rule yet for Media Distributor.  You have no basis for voting 'no'.

If it turns out to be the same as the rules for Studios, the rule will call for a correct name, which T!M has provided.

Quoting skipnet50:

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You do NOT have anyt right to determine what the Rules are or are NOT.

You don't either, but more importantly: the rules don't back you up! How many times do we have to tell you? You're simply exercising a personal preference - nothing more, nothing less.

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Read the Rules and the Studios Thread, Tim, you are in violation of them and as i said had you not made your public announcement....

No, I am NOT in violation of the rules. As for the Studios Thread: the origal poster of that thread has publicly supported "Twentieth" multiple times here, and has explained why he's currently not updating the thread. So if that's your best bet...

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But I take a very dim view of users who think they can do whatever they please.

Best of luck with that. I don't consider myself one of those, though.

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For now the Rule is what it is

It is, yes. It doesn't support your preference, however.

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as you have told me many times any change must come from Ken...certainly NOT you.

Rule changes must come from Ken, yes, obviously. As you're noting yourself: I have never claimed otherwise. But entering a correct DVD distributor name 100% as credited doesn't need a rules change whatsoever. It's baffling to constantly see you boasting about your knowledge of the rules, while you simultaneously keep proving you don't understand them at all.

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You have me so angry over your earlier announcement i am not even sure if i w9ould accept a mea culpa. But I'll sleep on it.

Here's a little bit of advice: I wouldn't lose to much sleep over it if I were you. You won't get it. I will accept one from you, though.

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You ceratinly aren't going to get anywhjere with your continued garbage and crap Contributions.

We'll see about that, shall we? Up until now, I'd say I'm doing mighty fine. You, on the other hand, don't contribute, so what you bring to DVD Profiler is mostly just 10.000 often pointless, incorrect and even abusive posts, like the ones we've seen once again these past few pages, followed through by no-votes against obviously correct contributions. And I'm the one with the "continued garbage and crap contributions"? Guess again.

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The Rule is what it is for NOW.

It is, yes. Repeating that ad infinitum won't help you, though, as the rule doesn't support you.

Anyway - I'm really not going to this again all day today - we've played more than enough yesterday. As far as I'm concerned, this case is closed.

Edit: oh, let me add just one more...

Quoting skipnet50:

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James: I'll thank you to stay out of it.

That'd be lovely, wouldn't it: a debate where everyone that doesn't agree with you simply stays out of it? I can see how that would work wonders, indeed.     

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Quoting skipnet50:

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You do NOT have anyt right to determine what the Rules are or are NOT.

You don't either, but more importantly: the rules don't back you up! How many times do we have to tell you? You're simply exercising a personal preference - nothing more, nothing less.

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Read the Rules and the Studios Thread, Tim, you are in violation of them and as i said had you not made your public announcement....

No, I am NOT in violation of the rules. As for the Studios Thread: the origal poster of that thread has publicly supported "Twentieth" multiple times here, and has explained why he's currently not updating the thread. So if that's your best bet...

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But I take a very dim view of users who think they can do whatever they please.

Best of luck with that. I don't consider myself one of those, though.

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For now the Rule is what it is

It is, yes. It doesn't support your preference, however.

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as you have told me many times any change must come from Ken...certainly NOT you.

Rule changes must come from Ken, yes, obviously. As you're noting yourself: I have never claimed otherwise. But entering a correct DVD distributor name 100% as credited doesn't need a rules change whatsoever. It's baffling to constantly see you boasting about your knowledge of the rules, while you simultaneously keep proving you don't understand them at all.

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You have me so angry over your earlier announcement i am not even sure if i w9ould accept a mea culpa. But I'll sleep on it.

Here's a little bit of advice: I wouldn't lose to much sleep over it if I were you. You won't get it. I will accept one from you, though.

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You ceratinly aren't going to get anywhjere with your continued garbage and crap Contributions.

We'll see about that, shall we? Up until now, I'd say I'm doing mighty fine. You, on the other hand, don't contribute, so what you bring to DVD Profiler is mostly just 10.000 often pointless, incorrect and even abusive posts, like the ones we've seen once again these past few pages, followed through by no-votes against obviously correct contributions. And I'm the one with the "continued garbage and crap contributions"? Guess again.

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The Rule is what it is for NOW.

It is, yes. Repeating that ad infinitum won't help you, though, as the rule doesn't support you.

Anyway - I'm really not going to this again all day today - we've played more than enough yesterday. As far as I'm concerned, this case is closed.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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James: I'll thank you to stay out of it.

That'd be lovely, wouldn't it: a debate where everyone that doesn't agree with you simply stays out of it? I can see how that would work wonders, indeed.     

NOT INTERESTED in your opinion or ANY attempt tp defend yourself.

Skip

Bugger off, Tim. That is NOT your place, nor James', your inclusion of the data is just as much your personal preference. You blew it, BIG TIME and you are only making it worse

Skip

I hardly call the current poll results a consensus, UNLIKE what the results were when YOU made your announcement that you were determining what the Rule was, Tim. You don't get it but i am not surprised and because of your attempt to hijack the Rules, i will not support you on this PERIOD. You submit Twentieth and I WILL vote against it every time. You don't determine the Rules, you had NO right to even try to, yet you did, very puiblicly. I don't know who YOU think you are, but you best examine your own behavior and get over yourself.

Ken please lock this thread, this is over and i have no interest in this users opinion on much of anything at this time.

If anyone has a manners problem, Tim it is YOU.

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For those of you who missed it back on page 9 Unicus made the following post. For me it helped clear this matter up. Appearantely it did for others as well since the vote started turing towards it's current result right after this post.

Try to ignore all the back and forth going on in this thread and read what he said. It makes a lot of sense to me and, as I see it, is completely supported by the current rules.

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Wow, I missed a lot by going to Best Buy this morning. 

A couple of things...well, maybe three things...

First to the forum thread.  The fact that a studio is listed there doesn't mean it is correct.  As has been pointed out, we chose '20th' over 'Twentieth' because it didn't fit the field.  Now that it does, we should use the 'correct' studio name...since that is what the rules call for.  In this case, that name is 'Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment'.

Second, whether or not you believe it 'adds value' is a non-issue.  Some people would say that reproducing typos in the overview adds no value.  But that doesn't matter, now does it?  No, because that isn't our measuring stick.  The rules call for 'correct studio names' and that is what we should enter.

Third, I don't know how anybody...especially Skip...can argue against what is printed on the back of the case.  I have two questions that should put this issue to rest:

If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Disney DVD' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?

If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Dimension Home Video' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?

I already know the answer, it's BVHE.  Why should this be any different?  If it is decided that the logo in the credits takes precedence over 'distribued by' on the DVD case, you are going to have a HUGE mess on your hands. 

Quoting lyonsden5:

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For those of you who missed it back on page 9 Unicus made the following post. For me it helped clear this matter up. Appearantely it did for others as well since the vote started turing towards it's current result right after this post.

Try to ignore all the back and forth going on in this thread and read what he said. It makes a lot of sense to me and, as I see it, is completely supported by the current rules.

Quoting Unicus69:

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Wow, I missed a lot by going to Best Buy this morning. 

A couple of things...well, maybe three things...

First to the forum thread.  The fact that a studio is listed there doesn't mean it is correct.  As has been pointed out, we chose '20th' over 'Twentieth' because it didn't fit the field.  Now that it does, we should use the 'correct' studio name...since that is what the rules call for.  In this case, that name is 'Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment'.

Second, whether or not you believe it 'adds value' is a non-issue.  Some people would say that reproducing typos in the overview adds no value.  But that doesn't matter, now does it?  No, because that isn't our measuring stick.  The rules call for 'correct studio names' and that is what we should enter.

Third, I don't know how anybody...especially Skip...can argue against what is printed on the back of the case.  I have two questions that should put this issue to rest:

If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Disney DVD' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?

If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Dimension Home Video' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?

I already know the answer, it's BVHE.  Why should this be any different?  If it is decided that the logo in the credits takes precedence over 'distribued by' on the DVD case, you are going to have a HUGE mess on your hands. 

For those like Rick who missed it, this argument was taken head on and it does NOT hold water, But thank you for playing, rick.

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