Again: I'm not playing.

Tim:

Let me try to break this down for you into small bites.

1) The various Supervising Credits share a Common word but NOT a common concept.
2) The PGA indicates that SP might be Number TWO in the food chain, NOT number one they answer to the EP for TELEVISION
3) The PGA does NOT recognize SP for FILM
4) Films do however use the SP credit
5) My sources in Hollywood tell me that an SP is no higher than third in the food chain, for film they answer to the Producers and are above the remaining producers which wee do not credit. On some films they fall to number 4 in the food chain and answer to the AP's (which we do not credit)
6) This leaves us with the problem of multiple definitions for the same terminology, which will do nothing but cause confusion among users. I am ALWAYS against trying to use multiple definitions for the same terminology.
7) IF we ever go to open credits then definition of roles becomes irrelevant, we will simply list what we see, which would include SPs, Co-Execs, Co-Prods, Assistant Prods, Associate Prods and Line prods...I think i got them all.<fingers crossed>

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And not to mention consulting producers, etc, the list could go on to infinity.

And Beyond.
 

Hmmm that sounds familiar.

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So tell me where my logic fails.

Your logic fails when you deduce from one error (missing "Art Director") the right to parse any crew credit you like just because there might be an error too.

Where did I say that in the post that you are referencing?

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Now I'm confused. 

If you agree with my long-winded analysis, then you agree that the Notes Column is irrelevant when determining allowable credits. The only column that the Rules tell us to use is the "Credited As" column.

If that is what you were driving at, I guess I don't agree with your long-winded analysys.  The rules do not tell us to use the "Credited As" column.  They tell us to use the "Film Credits to Include" column, which does not exist.

Even if you decide that it really means the "Credited As" column, that leaves out any credit where that column is empty.  Afterall, the rule continues to tell us, "If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."  From reading your post, I don't believe you want to do that.

In addition, if the "Notes" column is irrelevant, then we can enter all film editors, not just the "Principal Editors listed when credited together."  Reading your posts, I don't believe you want to do that either.

I am sorry but, after re-reading your post, your suggested method is far to convoluted and requires us to accept half the rule, while ignoring the other half.  The simplest way to do crew credits is to use the chart...the entire chart...and ignore the rule that says, "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."

I take that back...the simplest way would be for Ken to correct that bad wording so that the rule is crystal clear. 

I have yet to see a refutation to my point that under the PGA rules, a supervising producer can be a director.

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Now I'm confused. 

If you agree with my long-winded analysis, then you agree that the Notes Column is irrelevant when determining allowable credits. The only column that the Rules tell us to use is the "Credited As" column.

If that is what you were driving at, I guess I don't agree with your long-winded analysys.  The rules do not tell us to use the "Credited As" column.  They tell us to use the "Film Credits to Include" column, which does not exist.

Even if you decide that it really means the "Credited As" column, that leaves out any credit where that column is empty.  Afterall, the rule continues to tell us, "If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."  From reading your post, I don't believe you want to do that.

In addition, if the "Notes" column is irrelevant, then we can enter all film editors, not just the "Principal Editors listed when credited together."  Reading your posts, I don't believe you want to do that either.

I am sorry but, after re-reading your post, your suggested method is far to convoluted and requires us to accept half the rule, while ignoring the other half.  The simplest way to do crew credits is to use the chart...the entire chart...and ignore the rule that says, "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."

I take that back...the simplest way would be for Ken to correct that bad wording so that the rule is crystal clear. 

Apparently you did not read or comprehend my post either.  I give up.

At this point we have only one choice.  Leave it up to up to the screener(s) to decide what gets in or gets removed.  Nothing else really matters.

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Apparently you did not read or comprehend my post either.  I give up.

Oh, I read it...several times.

You want to assume that the "Film Credits to Include" column really means "Credited As".
You want to assume that it was merely an oversight that the column is blank for OMB, OCB and Song Writer.
You want to ignore half of the rule, the part that tells you not to enter any credit that isn't in that column, using your above assumption as your justification for doing so.
You want to treat the notes column as irrelevant when determining allowable credits.

If that isn't what you were getting at, please explain it because that is what I am seeing and I have a problem with that.

First, the rule and the chart are mutually exclusive.  You can't follow them both and claim you are following the rules.  Neither can you cherry pick sections from each and make various assumption simply to support your position.  You have to pick one or the other.

Second, you can't simply dismiss columns as irrelevant.  If we were to only enter the credits in the 'Credited As' column, disregarding all the other ones, then why are they there?  They were put there for a reason.  If not for us to use, then for what reason?

Again, if I have misread your position, in any way, please explain it.  If not, I will assume that I have it correct.