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| Registered: September 7, 2007 |  Posts: 265 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nice little article JP_S and I have to admit that I fully agree. As a matter of fact, I mentioned that $250 price point and such about a week ago. I think those guys at DVDTown.com are geniuses.  |
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| Registered: September 7, 2007 | | Posts: 265 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, Asc - That was a very FAIR article you posted. You know I won't be coming to your defense (for the most part) particularly with the tech specs but I can't disagree with this one. Again, this kind of hints at the same things I mentioned about a week ago.
From a business perspective Sony and the DBA collectively put themselves in a bad situation. Before players were even released there was a considerable amount of speculation (from what I remember) that some companies felt that Sony had lied to them about the availability and/or readiness of certain capabilities (interactivty for instance). I seem to remember reading rumors that some of those companies would not have sided with BD if they had the full story. Obviously both parties are at fault but perception is reality and that's a bad taste that might end up tilting this thing in favor of HD DVD even further in the coming months...Who knows? Only time will tell. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | I ran across a quote today that I felt was appropiate for this thread: People use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, for support not illumination.  | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nice one!
Reminds me of something my math teacher told us:
"A mathematician uses calculations to get the answer, a statistician uses calculations to get their answer." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Nice one!
Reminds me of something my math teacher told us:
"A mathematician uses calculations to get the answer, a statistician uses calculations to get their answer." And a fool grasp's at straws until it's too late. Steve |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
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This IS basic math and you don't have what you need to perform in correctly. If you think you do, please list all 23 titles individual PQ and SQ rating. That SHOULD end this.
We don't have enough information to give an exact average based on all the actual numbers. We do, however, have enough information to get an average of the averages. Like I said, basic math.
You just admitted that your math was wrong for total PQ and SQ.
No, because I never gave total PQ and SQ. As a matter of fact, I never gave ANY numbers nor did I do any math. It really pays to pay attention. 
So you're saying you were just being a clown. Otherwise, what were you doing? Why must you put words into people's mouths? Does it make you feel better about yourslef? All I did was point out that the math was correct...for getting an average of the averages. Please don't blame me if your comprehension of simple math and english are beyond your grasp. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Circles. We are going in circles. We already established that you don't consider the New York Times (or any source that mentioned money changed hands) a credible source. Just about all of Hollywood knows it. We have discussed that Microsoft said they didn't give the money to Paramount, but Toshiba and "others" did. Let's leave it at that, because I already provided links from several sources in this thread.[/blockquote
The NY Times article quoted a rumor. They did not provide any facts to back up their story. Toshiba and "others" said that they provided incentives, but never said what those were.
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Can we move on to something worthwhile, now?
Sure, if you can stop spreading rumors, lies and inuendo as if they were the truth. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JP_S: Quote:
Disney should release some 'Disney Classics' on Blu-ray. Well The Simpsons Movie is coming to Blu-ray which is great... I certainly hope the 'war' will be over within the next couple of months actually... If Disney is so gung-ho for Blu Ray, where is their Day & Date release of Jungle book? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting twojayz: Quote:
BTW, Asc - That was a very FAIR article you posted. You know I won't be coming to your defense (for the most part) particularly with the tech specs but I can't disagree with this one. Again, this kind of hints at the same things I mentioned about a week ago.
From a business perspective Sony and the DBA collectively put themselves in a bad situation. Before players were even released there was a considerable amount of speculation (from what I remember) that some companies felt that Sony had lied to them about the availability and/or readiness of certain capabilities (interactivty for instance). I seem to remember reading rumors that some of those companies would not have sided with BD if they had the full story. Obviously both parties are at fault but perception is reality and that's a bad taste that might end up tilting this thing in favor of HD DVD even further in the coming months...Who knows? Only time will tell. Blu-ray supporting studios were given a date for 50GB discs and the date was missed. They thought they would have 50GB discs from the beginning. That's being too aggressive with the dates which is a lie none the less (that's a regular occurrence in project management among other things). Interactivity was ALWAYS meant to be in stages due to the large amount of companies participating in the manufacturing process. They ALL have to coordinate with each other. That is difficult. The HD DVD camp NEVER had to coordinate with CE manufacturers. Toshiba was the ONLY one and even then they still had problems as well. | | | To err is human...
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
I ran across a quote today that I felt was appropiate for this thread:
People use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, for support not illumination. Nice one, but I would think a drunk uses a lamp post for both. Oh well. | | | To err is human...
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm very happy about the following announcement... Superbad coming to Blu-ray in Dec.Quote:
The sleeper hit of the summer, 'Superbad' has grossed over $120 million at the domestic box office (so far), and is among the most highly-anticipated titles due on high-def this fall. Fans won't have to wait much longer, however, as Sony has just told retailers to expect a December 4 street date for day-and-date Blu-ray and standard-def DVD versions of the film.
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Early specs indicate that 'Superbad' will get some serious McLovin' in the extras department, with a two-disc set plus a never-before-seen Unrated cut of the film. | | | To err is human...
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| Registered: September 7, 2007 | | Posts: 265 |
| | Posted: | | | | Asc - Yes, HD DVD had some bugs to work out, and they still are, BUT, Toshiba was a hell of a lot more ready at launch time than BDA. Even you've got to be willing to concede that much. It makes me wonder how many of those companies would had stuck with BD if they would have known what would be lacking. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting twojayz: Quote:
Asc - Yes, HD DVD had some bugs to work out, and they still are, BUT, Toshiba was a hell of a lot more ready at launch time than BDA. I'd say HD DVD was more ready at launch than Blu-ray is today. With the 1.1 and BD Live profile mess in addition to the replication issues. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting twojayz: Quote:
Asc - Yes, HD DVD had some bugs to work out, and they still are, BUT, Toshiba was a hell of a lot more ready at launch time than BDA. Even you've got to be willing to concede that much. It makes me wonder how many of those companies would had stuck with BD if they would have known what would be lacking. Like I said, Toshiba is one company. They didn't need to talk or coordinate with ANYONE else to do things. Of course, Toshiba could move faster. Then you have 80% of ALL CE manufacturers trying to coordinate things on the Blu-ray side. As far as being more ready, I do think Universal was more ready on the encoding process than BD studios. That is why the PQ was behind HD DVD at first. As far as the players being more ready, I think that's up in the air. It depends on what you place more importants on. If you are talking about extra features support stuff (ethernet, Intel processor for HDi), that would have been much more expensive on a BD player. I believe that is why tiers were set up for those features. Therefore, that would be more of a decision not to rather than they couldn't do it at that time (due to issues). If you would consider a decision made long before launch not being as ready, then by THOSE standards the answer would be yes. If we are talking about UNINTENTIONAL issues plaguing the product, the answer would be no. Also, the NR (noise reduction) reduction chip in the Samsung BD-P1000 being turned on was a judgement call by the Samsung engineers. They, INTENTIONALLY, turned that NR chip on. The Samsung BD-P1000 player did seem to have an UNINTENTIONAL issue with image clipping. With the Toshiba HD-XA1 and HD-A1, they had UNINTENTIONAL issues like lip-syncing problems, scaling down images to 720p, color conversion issues that clipped luma values via HDMI, and it used the wrong color space when using HDMI to DVI (it switched from the HD standard to the SD standard). Going by UNINTENTIONAL issues (things that weren't part of a decision process to for implementation), my answer would have to be no. I know it seemed like you asked me a simple question nd you would get a simple answer back. You had no idea your question really needed a kind of complex answer. That tends to happen when a lot of history is introduced. Sorry, for the long answer/explanation. Hopefully, you see where I'm coming from on this. | | | To err is human...
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
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Asc - Yes, HD DVD had some bugs to work out, and they still are, BUT, Toshiba was a hell of a lot more ready at launch time than BDA.
I'd say HD DVD was more ready at launch than Blu-ray is today. With the 1.1 and BD Live profile mess in addition to the replication issues. Profile 1.1 and 2.0 was never a mess. It was/is a plan for implementation to keep costs down. What replication issues are you referring to? Where do you get your information? | | | To err is human...
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting twojayz: Quote:
Nice little article JP_S and I have to admit that I fully agree. As a matter of fact, I mentioned that $250 price point and such about a week ago. I think those guys at DVDTown.com are geniuses. I don't think I have read your post but you're amazingly right. I think I've mentioned it previously too. Everytime a new Blu-ray player is released I read, every single time, `(Brand) New High-End /Top-of-the-Line Blu-ray Player`. If a cheaper was released sooner I might have bought one sooner, but now I am just sitting here and waiting... and waiting... and waiting for one of the two to go heads up. But all in all A_S cannot be from Project Hydra. Reason I know is if I were SONY, or BDA, and I would see his posts, I would hire a trained assassin because you don't want someone to advertise your product in that manner? Quoting bob9000: Quote:
If Disney is so gung-ho for Blu Ray, where is their Day & Date release of Jungle book? Exactly what I meant. This could be one of the titles that could be good for Blu-ray, I can tell you that. I think The Jungle Book is one of the most sought-after titles in their vaults? | | | | Jean-Paul |
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