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HTSA to Support Blu-ray Exclusively

Home Theater Specialists of America (HTSA) has announced that they are now officially supporting Blu-ray as their sole high definition movie format. After conducting an internal survey of their customer base, they discovered that 92% of high definition players sold were Blu-ray, with the remaining 8% being HD DVD or combo players. HTSA based their decision to back Blu-ray on those numbers which clearly show the preference of their customer base.

Jay Vandenbree, President of Consumer Sales for Sony commented, "At a time when ever-changing technology tests just how much one can know about everything, HTSA has chosen Blu-Ray Disc as the format they support. I think it speaks volumes when support comes from those who specialize in home theater, and are closest to the consumer."

HTSA represents 62 home theater installers/retailers and $500M in sales.

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I've touched this area before and I think others may have as well, but I think it can use a little more focus.

As it appears, both camps are not giving up and don't look like they will anytime soon. Regardless of which format is better both formats may be here to stay... at least for now. I think the solution to this is in hardware. Much like the DVD-r/DVD+r fiasco where a format couldn't be resolved, hardware vendors stepped and created a dual format thus resolving the format issue.

My theory is that both formats are dependent upon eachother for success at this stage of the game. If one fails I believe it is very likely the other will. The reason is simple. If one fails those people are not likely to reinvest into another format. It can also make the other format appear to be volatile.

I know there a few people here who would love to see Blu-ray fail as well as those who would love to see HD-DVD fail.

So why would a neutral studio, Paramount, decide to become exclusive? The numbers show a 2-1 sales ratio. Why would they leave the money on the table? You can speculate and come up with many different responses. But I am sure that in all this speculaiton nothing you can come up with won't be something that Paramount didn't already know. Paramount is a huge company and they pay people a lot of money to do research so I can assume that they have alot more information than any of us can even begin to imagine.

So then I ask the question why? My answer is that they have a lot invested in the next gen format and I belive that they know that if HD-DVD fails it is highly likely that Blu-ray will fail. So how do you keep one from failing? Well go exclusive and support that format. Just because they exclusive now, doesn't mean they will always be.


May question is this:
How many believe that the success of both formats have become dependent on eachother?

Why would Paramount choose to become exclusive?

I answered both questions and I am curious as to what others may think.  And try to be civil, I know it's a big request but at least try.

Oh yeah I almost forgot this is your opinion and your opinion only. So no need to post links to sources and no bibliography is need since I am asking for your thoughts only.
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I can count $150 million reassons, but that is speculation.

If they do, however, have faith int he future of the format, why only agree to a 1 year exclusive deal? Hmmm....

I have no further comments on this issue.
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I don't believe if one format will fail, the other one will fail also. The HD market is fairly small for the moment. It doesn't matter if people who purchased the losing format will not upgrade. The possible customer base to jump HD when a format wins is much larger. I am still waiting to see what the holiday season will bring. For me, I don't worry about the player prices, they will come down soon enough. It's the price of the movies that is holding me back for the moment. If you can wait 3 months, the price of a DVD is 1/3rd compared to a High Definition disc.

The sooner the format war ends, the sooner I'll upgrade.
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So why would a neutral studio, Paramount, decide to become exclusive? The numbers show a 2-1 sales ratio. Why would they leave the money on the table?


I know your question was intended to be rhetorical, but I I think people are making the mistake of thinking they made $x profit from HD DVD and were making 2 x $x profit from Blu-ray.  But there are a lot of other factors at work here.  We don't know how much (if any) profit they are getting from their HD DVD sales and how much (if any) profit they were making from Blu-ray.  There are a lot of unknowns here.

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May question is this:
How many believe that the success of both formats have become dependent on eachother?


Not I.  I disagree with your reasoning.  I think if one format dies, the other will pick up most of the losers and a ton of folks who are waiting for a winner.

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Perhaps they're saving money?  It takes some high priced talent to develop a Blu-ray title.  More so than HD-DVD.  We also don't know how much replication was costing them.  I've heard rumors that disc replication is heavily subsidized at this point.  I've also heard that BD-50 yields are horid at this time with only two plants approaching 50%.  And BD-25's aren't much better.  I'm not saying they were losing money (although they could have been).  I'm not even saying they were making only a small profit.  Just that far too many people are latching onto the simplistic view that 2:1 lead in sales equals a 2:1 profit margin.

Or maybe they feel that that can produce a better product by focusing all their attention on one format rather than trying to please both sides.

Or maybe they really were swayed by a large paycheck.

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I answered both questions and I am curious as to what others may think.  And try to be civil, I know it's a big request but at least try.


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[b]it seems Blu-ray exclusive titles are not so exclusive after all .........

this interesting news from Audioholics:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/blu-rays-dirty-little-secret


Blu-ray's Dirty Little Secret

by David Waratuke

Blu-ray-Only Titles are Available on HD DVD

So, after a long Blu-ray disc (BD) release hiatus by Fox and MGM, how does one celebrate the recent press release that new titles are coming? This, of course, arrives fast on the heels of Paramount and Dreamworks Animation announcement to drop BD,

High Def Digest: Fox Set to Renew Blu-ray Commitment, Announce Future Release Plans

High Def Digest: Fox/MGM: 'Silver Surfer', 'Live Free Die Hard', Extensive Catalog Coming to Blu-ray

[b]Why, one celebrates by buying one of these studios’ BD-only titles on HD DVD! Yes, Blu-ray-Only Titles are available on HD DVD. Yes, that is correct.
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One might ask: How does one do this? The answer has been available all along.
BD-Only Studios’ Dirty Little HD DVD Secret

Apparently, a number of (US) movie studios that claim to be devout, faithful supporters of the BD format are guilty of a little electronic adultery. HD DVD is the mistress at a secret challis, in other markets. Life is interesting indeed.

In a recent post on Home Theater Forum, Dispelling rumors around Paramount/Dreamworks and Microsoft - Home Theater Forum, Kevin Collins, Microsoft’s key HD DVD man, says he would like to dispel rumors surrounding the recent decision of Paramount/Dreamworks Animation to drop BD. Collins disavows any payment to sway Paramount/Dreamworks Animation to support HD DVD exclusively and takes a bit of umbrage at certain articles that suggest Microsoft cash was responsible.

Much of what Collins says is similar to what Paramount/Dreamworks Animation has officially said, and incidentally, similar to what a number of other industry insiders have said regarding the costs of manufacturing Blu-ray vs. HD DVD: Blu-ray is expensive to manufacture.

PC World: Paramount's CTO on Why His Studio is Dumping Blu-ray

What is even more interesting is that Mr. Collins provides links to several web sites, such as Amazon.co.uk, that sell movies on HD DVD, movies that supposedly should only be available on BD because of studio exclusive format deals. At least according to what we are told in the US by the BD (sic) only studios.

Xploitedcinema HD DVD

Amazon.co.uk HD DVD

The best part of the whole Blu-ray farce is which titles are available and from whom.

Why, there are titles from every BD only studio around, in one incarnation or another.

If I were to say that a study of the film industry and the interrelationship between major studios and independent studios, (who owns catalog movie rights) would reveal a convoluted mess of inbreeding, it would be an understatement. Independent studios team up with majors... what might appear to be independent studio is often a front company for a major... back catalogs are not always owned by the original production studio even if they are still in business... major titles often have split distribution in different parts of the world... and competitors on both sides of the format war are often business partners elsewhere.

While perusing the availability of HD DVD outside of the US, I noticed studios that release both or HD DVD-only have no problem releasing titles under some form of their own moniker while BD on HD DVD titles tend to be hidden away under the names of local distribution and production houses or subsidiary companies to obscure who owns the rights.

All of the BD-only studios seem to have movies released as HD DVD titles in Europe and elsewhere, but they don’t use their real names in these other countries. Even better, many of the very first batch of BD releases are available.[/b]

Wikipedia: Blu-ray Released Titles

Below are titles I found just using the two links provided by Mr. Collins, but I am sure further digging will reveal more. I have provided Wikipedia links to articles about the respective companies, studios, and films. In each Wikipedia film article, a column on the left provides production information including which studio released the title, but as rights change hands, I have grouped the movies based on who currently owns rights to release the titles using information kindly provided by www.blu-ray.com, a US-based web site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray#Released_titles

http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/blu-rays-dirty-little-secret/studios-and-titles.html

http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/blu-rays-dirty-little-secret/how-and-why.html
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and HiDef fans, how about this one .......

China Enters the HD Fray with, not Blu-ray, not HD DVD .... but CH-DVD 

That right, yet a THIRD, non-compatible Hi-Def format for China only 

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/china-CH-DVD-format


by David Waratuke

China CH-DVD Format (or we don't need no stinking Blu-ray or HD DVD)

The Chinese government announced early Friday a new high definition optical disc standard specifically for the Chinese market: China High Definition DVD (CH-DVD).

    * BetaNews: New Chinese Involvement Could Trigger HD DVD Price Plunge
    * Video Business: HD DVD-based format on the move in China
    * First CH-DVD players could launch next year

For a number of years, China has declared it was interested in limiting the influence of Western technology and to this end has formed the China High Definition DVD Industry Association (CHDA) to promote homegrown high definition technology developed by the Optical Memory National Engineering Research Center (OMNERC), based at Tsinghua University. The new CH-DVD standard will use a new codec owned by the Chinese government called Advanced Audio Video Encoding Standard in Information Technology, or more simply AVS.

The Chinese standards group originally looked to develop a completely independent format, Enhanced Versatile Disc (EVD), but ultimately chose to avoid having to develop a complete standard and teamed up with the DVD Forum for the blue laser drive technology. AVS allows China to avoid a myriad of licensing fees for all the various technology layers for encoding, decoding, audio, interactivity, and security, leaving one licensing fee, payable to the Chinese government, rather than foreign companies.

AVS is based on work by Professor Ishaq Ahmad, currently at the University of Texas at Arlington, when he was at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, Department of Computer Science. Professor Ahmad and several colleagues were looking for techniques to lower the computational overhead required for encoding H.263 video on low power systems. The technique, rather than working at the individual pixel level, divides the picture into macro blocks of 8x8 pixels. Using four luminance data blocks and two spatially aligned data blocks for color difference, multiple macro block rows are then grouped for transmission error resynchronization. The technique is said to be 2-3 times more efficient than MPEG-2 and was originally demonstrated on a Sun UltraSPARC-1 workstation and a Pentium II 233MHZ class PC.

What this all means is that CH-DVD can make use of a simplified DSP, but the drives are essentially blue laser HD-DVD drives. While CH-DVD discs will be incompatible with foreign HD-DVD machines, Chinese manufactured CH-DVD drives will require only simple modifications to be usable as HD-DVD drives. China’s huge manufacturing base will now, by government decree, be turned to producing what are essentially HD-DVD drives, ultimately lowering the cost of such drives on the supply side.

With situations like this in the works, perhaps it explains several other recent events such as Paramount/Dreamworks jumping off of the Blu-ray ship or the delay of Warner’s compromise Total HD discs: a billion or so consumers who now have but one choice.

Unlike the EU who has involved itself as referee of the free market in reviewing the legality of various agreements that might impede legally defined economic competition between HD optical disc formats, the Chinese government has issued a winner by decree: their own format, with a little HD-DVD thrown in.

The current plan for CH-DVD is to roll it out before the 2008 Summer Olympics in Bejing as well as have working models for the 2008 CES in January.

However, don’t just think of the CHDA/ OMNERC as exclusively Chinese. The AVS Workgroup does have a global membership beyond Chinese universities and laboratories, including ATI, IBM, Intel, LG, Matsushita, NEC, Nokia, Philips, STMicroelectronics, TI, Tektronix, and Sony.

Many of these companies are members of the Blu-ray Disc Association, but they also seem to have a plan B.

So, who ends up the winner? Hey, maybe it’s CH-DVD.
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My math is not off.  I will tell you why your math is wrong.  It is wrong, because you don't have enough information to do the math correctly.  I didn't post the individual rating per title.  By doing the math the way you did, you mistakenly gave too much weight to the 30's, 40's, 50's, etc categories.  In other words, you made the 30's category/group (with only 1 title) count as much as the 80's category (with 12 titles).  Now, do you see what you did?


Sorry, but his math is correct.  It seems you don't know the reason behind averaging the scores.  Averages are used to compare groups with varying numbers.  Once you get an average, you can compare groups of 1, 5, 10, 100, etc.  In other words, the average score becomes the score for each individual film in the group.  Come on man, this is basic math here.

This IS basic math and you don't have what you need to perform in correctly.  If you think you do, please list all 23 titles individual PQ and SQ rating.  That SHOULD end this.



the GREAT A_S has spoken! We do not have the information! Only the GREAT A_S has the information!  THE GREAT AND ALMIGHTY A_S HAS DECREED ALL FURTHER DISCUSSION WILL END!

REMEMBER:Only the GREAT A_S is RIGHT.  All others are WRONG. ALWAYS WRONG.

hey A_S  take a memo: You are full of S***

YOU ARE HEREBY CHALLENGED. Post the d a m n information that all of us are too lowly to possess!
Scared?  Going to waffle out and deny again?!  OF COURSE YOU WILL 

Will you ever post the secret information that only YOU possess. Will you ever show your creative math STEP by STEP in this forum, and PROVE to everybody how you are RIGHT, ALWAYS RIGHT ..... and everybody else is WRONG. ALWAYS WRONG.

OH GREAT A_S you truly are the biggest A_S on this forum     

I guess we can't be peaceful and civilized about this.  The same way this "battling" got started LONG ago seems to be starting all over again.  GEEZ.  I step away from the site for a while and the crazies take over.

Well, here you go...


The Cowboys (Warner) 1972  4 stars  SQ  - 3 stars DD+ 5.1 1.5Mbps
Rio Bravo (Warner) 1959    4 star      SQ  - 2 1/2 stars  DD (mono)
The River (Universal) 1984  3 star    SQ  - 3 stars  DD+ 1.5 Mbps
Midnight Run (Universal) 1988  3 star  SQ  - 3 stars  DD+ 1.5Mbps
Smokey and the Bandit (Universal) 1977  3 1/2 stars  SQ - 2 1/2 stars  DD+ 5.1
The Jerk (Universal) 1980  2 1/2 stars  SQ 2 1/2 stars  DD 5.1
The Elephant Man (Studio Canal) 1980  4 star    SQ  - 2 stars  DTS-HD Master
Mutiny on the Bounty - Warner (1962)  4 star  SQ  - 4 star  DD+ 5.1
The Adventures of Robin Hood - Warner (1938)  4 1/2 star  SQ  - 3 stars  DD+ 1.0
The Breakfast Club (Universal) 1985  3 1/2    SQ  - 3 star  DD+ 5.1
Field of Dreams (Universal) 1989    2 1/2 stars    SQ  - 3 star  DD+ 5.1
Dune (1984) (Universal) 1984  4 stars    SQ  - 3 1/2 stars  DD+ 5.1
An American Werewolf in London (Universal) (1981)  3 1/2 stars    SQ  - 3 stars  DD+ 5.1
Forbidden Planet (Warner) (1956)  4 star    SQ  - 3  stars DD+ 5.1
Forbidden Planet: Ultimate Collector's Set (Warner) (1956)  4 star      SQ  - 3 stars DD+ 5.1
Casablanca (Warner) (1942)  5 stars      SQ  - 3 1/2 stars  DD+ 1.0
The Thing (1982) (Universal)  4 1/2 stars    SQ  - 3 1/2 stars DD+ 5.1
Fast Times at Ridgemont High (Universal (1982)  3 1/2 stars      SQ  - 3 stars
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (Universal) (1972)  4 stars    SQ  - 3 stars  DD+ 5.1
Grand Prix (Warner) (1966)  4 1/2 stars      SQ  - 4 stars DD+ 5.1
Caddyshack (Warner) (1980)  3 1/2 stars      SQ  - 3 stars  DD+ 5.1
National Lampoon's Animal House (Universal) (1978)  3 1/2 stars      SQ  - 2 1/2 stars  DD+ 5.1
The Last Starfighter (Universal) (1985)  2 stars      SQ  - 2 1/2 stars  TrueHD 16-bit


NOW, you have the information you need to do the math CORRECTLY. 
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This IS basic math and you don't have what you need to perform in correctly.  If you think you do, please list all 23 titles individual PQ and SQ rating.  That SHOULD end this.


We don't have enough information to give an exact average based on all the actual numbers.  We do, however, have enough information to get an average of the averages.  Like I said, basic math.

You just admitted that your math was wrong for total PQ and SQ. 
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May question is this:
How many believe that the success of both formats have become dependent on eachother?

I believe it.  I haven't seen a precedence of a format battling another then one goes away and the other fails too.

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$150 million.  They probably figured the market was smaller than they expected at this point.  They could take the money now.  The money is more than enough to cover any additional sales from Blu-ray over the 18 month contract.  Then, after the 18 months of the contract is over they would have a much larger user base to make money from.
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High Definition Market Update - Critical Time for HD Disc Formats



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NewswireToday - /newswire/ - London, United Kingdom, 09/24/2007 - Q4 in 2007 is seen by many as a crucial time in the life of both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc (BD), and a timely new industry bulletin from Understanding & Solutions looks at the future of the HD marketplace, the opportunities and the threats.

Commentary and analysis provided by Jim Bottoms, Co-Managing Director, Understanding & Solutions



Q4 in 2007 is seen by many as a crucial time in the life of both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc (BD), as it is the second Christmas period for both formats in the USA – long highlighted by Understanding & Solutions as the point at which the format battle could potentially be won or lost – and, more importantly, where the long term success of high definition discs will be decided.

It is also a crucial time for PS3, having underperformed last year in the USA due to its high price, delayed availability and the unexpected success of the Wii, as well as missing the European Christmas season completely.

Though player prices are falling across the board, there is growing concern that the consumer does not fully understand the high definition concept; and the confusion is further compounded by the choice of two different disc-based formats.

Taking everything into account, BD has been the leader for much of the year, accounting for close to two thirds of HD discs sold in the US. In Europe, BD’s share is at a lower level, but it enjoys a stronger performance in Japan.

However, developments over the past few weeks have the potential to erode BD’s current lead, and there is growing concern throughout the industry that both high definition disc formats could be lost completely in a world of competing delivery options and viewing platforms.

Last month, Understanding & Solutions stated the decision by Paramount and DreamWorks to release exclusively on HD DVD was not in itself sufficient to change the balance significantly, though it was a major PR coup for the HD DVD group and did erode BD’s industry strength. At the same time we expressed the opinion that the major impact of this decision would be to prolong the format battle, something that is not good news for the industry overall.

These views have not changed, but a number of additional factors have emerged that may impact the situation and extend the current period of uncertainty.

• The Blu-ray technical standards – particularly in respect of its online connectivity option, BD Live – are still not finalised.
- There are no BD Live enabled players currently on the market, whereas all HD DVD players have connectivity (although not all discs support this feature).
- It is understood that PS3 consoles have the technical capability to support BD Live with a firmware upgrade but as yet there has been no indication from Sony when this might be implemented.
• Player pricing, whilst falling rapidly, has not yet reached the point where it is attractive to the mass market.
From the perspective of software and hardware support, HD DVD has been trailing BD. However, its two main supporters, Toshiba and Microsoft, have been campaigning hard to bring other content owners and CE manufacturers on board.
• In late August, Paramount announced it would release future titles exclusively on HD DVD.
• Chinese manufacturer Alco-Venturer has announced a $199 HD DVD player for Q4 this year.
Paramount’s decision may not have significantly affected the balance between the formats, but the landscape would change dramatically should Warner make a similar decision, or one of the BD-exclusive studios defected to HD DVD or even elected to release on both formats.
• Warner recently stated that high definition software sales are sufficient in each format to make dual support viable.
- The average is 2:1 in favour of BD, although ‘Planet Earth’ sold more on HD DVD.
Whilst supporting both formats ensures that the entire potential Hi Def disc market is addressed, the additional costs involved are not insignificant.
• The very different technologies employed by BD and HD DVD, particularly with respect to interactivity, means that each has to be authored separately.
• Mastering and print costs are doubled, and replication volumes are smaller.
• The only area where there is any real commonality between the formats is in video encoding, the result being that BD titles released in parallel to HD DVD frequently use the same video file and therefore do not make full use of the format’s 50GB capacity.

Although recent developments have favoured HD DVD, there has also been encouraging news for Blu-ray.

• A number of European studios/distributors who had previously announced that they would release on HD DVD only, announced at IFA that they will support both formats. Among these are Studio Canal and Bertelsmann-owned Universum Film.
• Three European replicators are adding Blu-ray lines to meet the anticipated demand: Infodisc, Germany (Oerlikon line); QOL, France (Singulus line) and a third as yet unnamed plant (also Singulus).
• There has been progress in developing BD-Java authoring tools.
- Technicolor’s in-house ‘BD-Jive’ – a GUI-based Java compiler, which greatly simplifies the creation of BD-Java titles – may be made available to third parties.
• Chinese player manufacturer, China Huala Group (CHLG), has joined the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) as a contributor member, enabling the company to input suggestions for enhancements to the format.
• PS3 sales, whilst perhaps disappointing from a games perspective, still add significantly to the installed base of BD-enabled video playback devices.

Conclusions
As we stand today, industry support for BD across content and hardware remains the strongest grouping and it is therefore the format with the greatest chance of market success, although its strength is being eroded.

Whatever happens, continued competition between the two groups will lead to continuing confusion and uncertainty, and therefore delayed consumer purchase decisions. This in turn will lead to further price erosion of hardware – and to a lesser extent, software.

All this comes at a time when research is increasingly showing that consumers are already confused about the overall ‘high definition’ message. Stories abound of consumers with HD capable TVs but standard definition cable or satellite service thinking they are watching HDTV.
The continuing improvements in the upscaling capabilities of standard definition DVD players cannot be ignored as they may satisfy many consumers needs for an enhanced viewing experience at a competitive price.

The next six months will be critical for the future of high definition discs. There is significant market potential for pre-recorded High Definition media but there is a growing concern within the industry that this potential could go unfulfilled.


This is, for the most part, a well balanced report.  Of course, they didn't mention the possibility of a major HD DVD studio going neutral.  I guess only the shocking stuff tends to makes the news.  Stuff you expect doesn't make for great news stories.
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This IS basic math and you don't have what you need to perform in correctly.  If you think you do, please list all 23 titles individual PQ and SQ rating.  That SHOULD end this.


We don't have enough information to give an exact average based on all the actual numbers.  We do, however, have enough information to get an average of the averages.  Like I said, basic math.

You just admitted that your math was wrong for total PQ and SQ. 


No, because I never gave total PQ and SQ.  As a matter of fact, I never gave ANY numbers nor did I do any math.  It really pays to pay attention. 
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$150 million.  They probably figured the market was smaller than they expected at this point.  They could take the money now.  The money is more than enough to cover any additional sales from Blu-ray over the 18 month contract.  Then, after the 18 months of the contract is over they would have a much larger user base to make money from.


You keep throwing out that $150 million number as if it means something.  Not a single credible news agency has confirmed that Paramount/DreamWorks were paid that kind of money.  If you have proof to the contrary, please provide the link. 
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This IS basic math and you don't have what you need to perform in correctly.  If you think you do, please list all 23 titles individual PQ and SQ rating.  That SHOULD end this.


We don't have enough information to give an exact average based on all the actual numbers.  We do, however, have enough information to get an average of the averages.  Like I said, basic math.

You just admitted that your math was wrong for total PQ and SQ. 


No, because I never gave total PQ and SQ.  As a matter of fact, I never gave ANY numbers nor did I do any math.  It really pays to pay attention. 

So you're saying you were just being a clown.  Otherwise, what were you doing?
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$150 million.  They probably figured the market was smaller than they expected at this point.  They could take the money now.  The money is more than enough to cover any additional sales from Blu-ray over the 18 month contract.  Then, after the 18 months of the contract is over they would have a much larger user base to make money from.


You keep throwing out that $150 million number as if it means something.  Not a single credible news agency has confirmed that Paramount/DreamWorks were paid that kind of money.  If you have proof to the contrary, please provide the link. 

Circles.  We are going in circles.  We already established that you don't consider the New York Times (or any source that mentioned money changed hands) a credible source.  Just about all of Hollywood knows it.  We have discussed that Microsoft said they didn't give the money to Paramount, but Toshiba and "others" did.  Let's leave it at that, because I already provided links from several sources in this thread.

Can we move on to something worthwhile, now?
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Just read some disturbing news on DVDTown.com but they're probably right.

Disney should release some 'Disney Classics' on Blu-ray. Well The Simpsons Movie is coming to Blu-ray which is great... I certainly hope the 'war' will be over within the next couple of months actually...
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