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I have no hatred but, for what it's worth, I saw Ace's post the same way Rick did.  It's not what is said that is the problem, it is how it is said.

That is simply 1984, Martian, no less than speech and thought control.

Really?  And here I thought it was just good manners and common courtesy. 

Then I might ask this question, Martian. Rick started a fire was it necessary to pour gasoline on it. You talk about the way things are said. Because the way I read your post was that I agree with Rick, Skip and you are just wrong. Hence the reply.

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Then I might ask this question, Martian. Rick started a fire was it necessary to pour gasoline on it.

Once again it is all about perception.  In my opinion, Rick did not start a fire.  In my opinion, you did when you responded to Ace the way you did.  From where I am sitting, it looked like Rick was trying to douse the flames.  Your mileage, of course, will vary.

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You talk about the way things are said. Because the way I read your post was that I agree with Rick, Skip and you are just wrong. Hence the reply.

As you just noted, your issue isn't based on how I said it, it is based on how you read it.  That, unfortunately, is something I can't control.

Ummm  I'll buy that Martian

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Sam:

I don't remember the last time a user apologized to me.

Lead by example then. In this thread you have offered to 'shake hands' and 'forget' with a couple of people, but unfortunately it has always been followed by some sort of backhanded nonsense.

I have no belief that it would do any good, Sam. Where would that belief come from, I am not averse to apologizing i have done it numerous times. I beyond taking such action on blind faith. Make your case, why should I believe it would do any good.

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It's called simple human nature, Rick and how could I expect you to understand, you are simply following what is completely natural. Like mots here you need someone to blame, I say we are all GUILTY as hell, let's find a  solution. I have suggested an answer and so has Kinky which i took him up on and so did a few others. But human nature still demands that someone be at fault and you as are many others very wrapped up in your hatred  and you cannot be satisfied until that hatred is satiated.. This why there are few users who truly suggesting problems, while the rest scream "Off with his head".. It's not unlike the Gulf oil spill, it was an accident, do I hear a whole lot of people saying let's find a solution and then figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen again, no....but I do hear a lot of people looking to blame big bad BP...while ignoring the the federal government shares some culpabbility. I don't see many people actually trying to a part of the solution.. But again that's human nature.

And that would be an example of how not to say something. 

By all means continue to pain me as the one "pouring gas on the fire". I am very sure most who read everything written will see that is not the case.

Too funny for words.      

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Sam:

I don't remember the last time a user apologized to me.

Lead by example then. In this thread you have offered to 'shake hands' and 'forget' with a couple of people, but unfortunately it has always been followed by some sort of backhanded nonsense.

I have no belief that it would do any good, Sam. Where would that belief come from, I am not averse to apologizing i have done it numerous times. I beyond taking such action on blind faith. Make your case, why should I believe it would do any good.

If you were to simply apologise, then it isn't the belief that it would do much good but the belief that you have actually tried. So far whenever you have tried to let bygones be bygones you have said things like "Let's start again and I'm prepared to give it a go if you are BUT I still don't trust you and I think you will add fuel to the fire" when you should be ending the whole conversation before but. It doesn't have to do good with the person/s involved but it will show others you are trying without making an additional unneeded snarky comment and then those members will see they are attacking you because nobody would be able to quote any attack you may have said.

For what it's worth, at least in my opinion, it was a valiant attempt.