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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Ain't technology grand?" Only when it works Rifter, only when it works.  Have to admit, I find it hard to remember how I lived without the internet and my cell phone for over 20 years, but somehow I made it.  I still get the urge to introduce Mr. Computer or Mr. Cellphone to Mr. Hammer when they aren't acting right though.  |
| | Registered: May 25, 2007 | | Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
"Ain't technology grand?"
Only when it works Rifter, only when it works.
Have to admit, I find it hard to remember how I lived without the internet and my cell phone for over 20 years, but somehow I made it.
I still get the urge to introduce Mr. Computer or Mr. Cellphone to Mr. Hammer when they aren't acting right though. Is he related to MC Hamer? |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 |  Posts: 189 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is just my take on the whole situation and I will still abide by the rules as they are stated: As the information that we're talking about here (FS & WS) is listed elsewhere in the profile (under audio/video) then to put this in the Edition field is redundant. Populating this field with Collectors Edition, Director's Cut, Limited Editon, Criterion Collection, Masters of Horror, Fox War Classics or others like this is great. This would differentiate a "normal" release of a movie with a "special" release of a movie. I am saying this because even with this field (the Edition field) we cannot apply filters to it. I cannot filter my collection by "Director's Cut" or "Widescreen" because that field is not there. I CAN however filter my collection by "Widescreen" if I use the Formats tab. Having the aspect ratio specified in the edition field is useless IMHO. That's just my 2cents worth. I will however keep to the letter of the rules FYI...  | | | Peter
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting falcon2099: Quote:
As the information that we're talking about here (FS & WS) is listed elsewhere in the profile (under audio/video) then to put this in the Edition field is redundant.
When you add by title a DVD to your collection, in the list you only see the "Title", including the Edition field, and Year, Locality, Release, UPC, Media. You don't see the Aspect Ratio. The same goes when you browse a list of titles in the main window of the program, or print an essential report of your collection with only the Title field. So, if there are both a Widescreen and a Full Screen edition in the database, you can tell one from the other by the Edition. As long as the Edition field effectively distinguishes one edition from the other, I wouldn't say it's redundant or useless. On the other hand, if there are five Widescreen editions and only a Full Screen one, I'd rather tag the latter as "Full Screen" and maybe leave the others blank (thinking of it, though, if Widescreen edition #1 has a "Widescreen" banner on the cover, while Widescreen edition #2 doesn't, "Widescreen" in the Edition field might distinguish one from the other), or use for them some more specific edition descriptors if available. Just my 2 cents. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting falcon2099:
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As the information that we're talking about here (FS & WS) is listed elsewhere in the profile (under audio/video) then to put this in the Edition field is redundant.
When you add by title a DVD to your collection, in the list you only see the "Title", including the Edition field, and Year, Locality, Release, UPC, Media. You don't see the Aspect Ratio.
The same goes when you browse a list of titles in the main window of the program, or print an essential report of your collection with only the Title field.
So, if there are both a Widescreen and a Full Screen edition in the database, you can tell one from the other by the Edition.
As long as the Edition field effectively distinguishes one edition from the other, I wouldn't say it's redundant or useless. so wouldn't the better solution (as has been posted/suggested) be for an additional column with W or F to show Widescreen or Full screen? As far as viewing in your collection: a) the cover gives that info b) the aspect ratio gives that info c) you can locally put that info in to your preference (just full screen version, just widescreen, both, etc). On reports, if its an essential report, and that info is so important to have on it, then couldn't you add it to the report? additionally, you could then have the actual ratio. Don't have the program on this computer so can't check if thats an displayable field on reports. additionally, it (aspect ratio) could be (if not already) made a displayable column in your collection list. Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
On the other hand, if there are five Widescreen editions and only a Full Screen one, I'd rather tag the latter as "Full Screen" and maybe leave the others blank (thinking of it, though, if Widescreen edition #1 has a "Widescreen" banner on the cover, while Widescreen edition #2 doesn't, "Widescreen" in the Edition field might distinguish one from the other), or use for them some more specific edition descriptors if available.
Just my 2 cents. To further play devils advocate, what if there is a full screen version (1.33:1) a widescreen version (2.40:1) and then a version that is edited to be 1.85:1 so it fully fills a widescreen tv. the later version is still widescreen so putting widescreen in the edition field doesn't help distinguish anything. so do we now put the actual ratio in the edition field (2.40:1 Edition, 1.33:1 Edition). I realize that example doesn't exist with any movies, but its only a matter of time. If you think about why movies are made pan & scan (to fill the screen/not have black bars), and the fact that some stations are already broadcasting movies with larger than 16:9 ratios at 16:9 (in HD) to eliminate black bars and fill the screen, whats to stop studios from releasing a 16:9 version of movies on dvd (or HD format) that have a wider ratio so they fill the screen on widescreen tvs since that seems to be becoming the standard tv. as an aside, becaus of widescreen tv's I think the Full Frame\Widescreen designation is outdated and something more appropriate should be used. -Agrare *edit* just want to add, I am not arguing (in this post at least) for or against widescreen or full screen n the edition field as a whole or based on banners on the cover. Just trying to point out some other sides/views on the issue, and maybe that something else needs to be done instead of just a simple rule change/clarification. | | | | Last edited: by Agrare |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting falcon2099: Quote:
This is just my take on the whole situation and I will still abide by the rules as they are stated:
As the information that we're talking about here (FS & WS) is listed elsewhere in the profile (under audio/video) then to put this in the Edition field is redundant. Populating this field with Collectors Edition, Director's Cut, Limited Editon, Criterion Collection, Masters of Horror, Fox War Classics or others like this is great. This would differentiate a "normal" release of a movie with a "special" release of a movie.
I am saying this because even with this field (the Edition field) we cannot apply filters to it. I cannot filter my collection by "Director's Cut" or "Widescreen" because that field is not there. I CAN however filter my collection by "Widescreen" if I use the Formats tab.
Having the aspect ratio specified in the edition field is useless IMHO. That's just my 2cents worth. I will however keep to the letter of the rules FYI... Yes you can filter on the edition field. Just use the substring filter and filter on the title, as edition is seen as part of the title ;-) | | | My DVD's
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| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | On topic:
No edition marked on the cover (widescreen listed with features is NOT an edition marker imho) -->
if 2 DVD's with the same UPC exists, which only differ in aspectratio THEN the use of the edition field for a "Widescreen" / "Fullscreen" tag is warranted. If the UPC differs I see no need to enter that information at all.
Edition marker is available on the cover -->
I'd say put it in the edition field as this is the way the rules want us to do it for now. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
if 2 DVD's with the same UPC exists, which only differ in aspectratio THEN the use of the edition field for a "Widescreen" / "Fullscreen" tag is warranted. If the UPC differs I see no need to enter that information at all. this situation is not very likely to happen as studios don't use the same upc for full screen and widescreen. Even if they did, we can only enter one profile under that upc/locality so one movie would have to be done via disc id. The closest I've seen to this situation though is a rerelease of a title (under the same upc and almost identical package) with the only difference being the first release had full screen and widescreen versions and the second only had one version. However, even if the upc's are different (for a full screen version and a wide screen version) that while it does make them unique profiles it doesn't help distinguish one as widescreen and one as full screen when looking at the title (which really only becomes an issue in add by title) because even though you can see the upc thats not gonna tell you which is full screen and which is widescreen. -Agrare |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
As far as viewing in your collection: a) the cover gives that info b) the aspect ratio gives that info
Not in my layout, unless I expressly select those windows Quote:
On reports, if its an essential report, and that info is so important to have on it, then couldn't you add it to the report?
Well, in an essential report I try to have as few fields as possible. Ideally, Title+Edition should contain sufficient information to tell DVD A1 from DVD A2. Quote:
To further play devils advocate,
What? I was playing devil's advocate  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
To further play devils advocate, what if there is a full screen version (1.33:1) a widescreen version (2.40:1) and then a version that is edited to be 1.85:1 so it fully fills a widescreen tv. the later version is still widescreen so putting widescreen in the edition field doesn't help distinguish anything. so do we now put the actual ratio in the edition field (2.40:1 Edition, 1.33:1 Edition).
I realize that example doesn't exist with any movies, but its only a matter of time. If you think about why movies are made pan & scan (to fill the screen/not have black bars), and the fact that some stations are already broadcasting movies with larger than 16:9 ratios at 16:9 (in HD) to eliminate black bars and fill the screen, whats to stop studios from releasing a 16:9 version of movies on dvd (or HD format) that have a wider ratio so they fill the screen on widescreen tvs since that seems to be becoming the standard tv. Classic Media's latest release of Mothra versus Godzilla. Single disk containing both the Japanese and U.S. edits of the film. Japanese AR 2.35:1, U.S. AR 1.78:1...reason being that the U.S. version came from a Monsters on HD transfer. I have no trouble believing that there is also a P&S version of this film floating about as well. The edition field is completely inadequate for determining this sort of information. I'm still convinced that the real reason people lobby for this junk is because of some sort of compulsion to fill in all the fields. |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
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| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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As far as viewing in your collection: a) the cover gives that info b) the aspect ratio gives that info
Not in my layout, unless I expressly select those windows then i guess that information really isn't that important to you. Quote:
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On reports, if its an essential report, and that info is so important to have on it, then couldn't you add it to the report?
Well, in an essential report I try to have as few fields as possible. Ideally, Title+Edition should contain sufficient information to tell DVD A1 from DVD A2. well it should, I guess I don't see most people double dipping with both widescreen and full screen, and those that replace improper OAR movies with later corrected releases I figure sell/trade/give away the improper one. But ultimatly i can see the argument for it, I guess my view is that If I own a dvd, for the most part I know if its widescreen or not, and only have one copy of it. so when i see the 'to distinguish from other releases' i feel comes into play more for adding by title and that there are better ways to handle that. that would allow for us to not clutter up the edition field. additionally, and i know this is off on a tangent, there are tons of dvds that say widescreen or full screen in a banner on the front cover that don't have that in the edition field, or only one has it in the edition field. further more all the dvds with the widescreen banner that don't have a full screen counter part, yet still have widescreen editions. I'm almost inclined to agree with mdnitoil that if people see an empty field they have to fill it. Its like telling someone to not do something...you know they are gonna go ahead and do just because you said not to. I don't know, it just seems that most of the people that don't like widescreen edition on all there titles are the big collectors who do a substantial amount of contributing and try to follow the rules to the letter. So the titles get put in with the Widescreen edition, the contributor changes it without in there local (impression from comments), its per the rules so it gets accepted while the full screen release stays edition less cause the 'anal' (no offense meant here) people don't buy full screen movies. Quote:
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To further play devils advocate,
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