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Disc Number and Disc Side Labels in Cast & Crew Dividers? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | "What we have here is a failure to communicate." who said that? Was it a movie or a TV show? | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| Registered: March 22, 2007 | Posts: 13 |
| Posted: | | | | If it was a tv series, did they include disc and side dividers or just episode dividers?
According to the poll almost 83% think only episode dividers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote: "What we have here is a failure to communicate." who said that? Was it a movie or a TV show? Strother Martin---COOL HAND LUKE Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I am impressed Steve, can do complex math. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 22, 2007 | Posts: 13 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip Maybe you can't since you can't quite figure out 83 is much larger than 7 | | | Last edited: by stevevm |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Sorry Achim, I can't sayt that i view Rick as an honest member of this Community. You and others seem to believe that you know enough about me to make judgements of personality and my motives and frankly sir, you don't know squat.
Skip Well, maybe my choice of words was a little harsh... True, I have never met you, and even if I had I wouldn't know what's on your mind. But you stated in this thread, that you are not always telling us what's on your mind, so we will never even know for sure and will always only be guessing... For me, when I first encounter people, I am neutral to them. (I always say: "Everybody gets their chance to ruin their reputation with me themselves.") Anyway, I didn't mean to judge you. I only meant to express my feelings... | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Maybe its YOU who are in very serious need of counseling. My God, you just refuse to get it. What an ^%$. Your last comment was totally unnecessary and inexcusable. You have absolutely no idea or clue.
I am sooo glad I did not see that crap before I made that last post, I'll let is stand. But here is my advice Rick, stay OUT of any discussion that involves I will blow you right out of the water. I have had it with YOU, sir.
Skip The hypocrisy is staggering considering the huge numbers of comments of this kind - and significantly worse - that you have made in the past. Achim is right, keep these junk prototypes private, discuss them with the community and if people want them, then add them to the main database. The main database is not your private test bed. If anyone else did this you would flip your lid. More hypocrisy. You started the abuse in this thread - like most threads that head in this direction, so stop whining when you get it thrown back at you... yet more hypocrisy. If you want to do something new and different, then it is down to you to convince everyone else that it is the right way to go, not for everyone else to convince you that you are wrong. You seem to think that everything you say is automatically right... despite a long history of evidence to the contrary. Take a look at yourself, and if you can't see it, then I think Rick's advice was right on the money! | | | Andy
"Credited as" Names Database |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: Quoting goodguy:
Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: I have seen no indication that anyone else has a clue Oh, please! Yes, you and Rifter repeatedly claimed to be software and database specialists. Now, I have seen a lot of useful add-ons (plugins, skins, external tools) developed by people around here, who therefore could make such a claim with some credibility, but yours is just ridiculous.
Sorry, for not ignoring you.
That's a lie. I never claimed to be a specialist. I said I've had a fair amount of experience at, and been paid for, designing and implementing database programs. Skip has a lot more than I do.
The point being made, however, was that we understand the concepts behind designing a database. I have a data processing degree, a large part of which study covered the design, implementation, and use of databases. I made my living for 20+ years in the computer and data processing arena. I think all of that gives me more than passing credibility.
You could make use of that experience, or blow it off as you have been doing, but it won't change the facts. John,
You claim to have experience, but you fight cast and/or crew linking. Without linking, what is the data for? I would think that someone with "experience" would understand that a pile of data without any good way to cross-reference it is a waste of time and disk space.
pdf When somebody comes up with a viable, accurate, FAIR way to cross reference it, I'll be right at the head of the line to vote Yes. But we don't have that, do we? Using common name willy-nilly, with no real guidelines or rules, and more importantly no documentation for the choices they make, is not what I call a good indexing system. As long as even one user has the ability to affect how the common name is picked, the system is broke because personal preference can enter into it. Nor does every user necessarily need indexing. So, those users should have the option of not using it. They should not be penalized in any way for opting out. That is not the current status of that either. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tlevel: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: Quoting goodguy:
Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: I have seen no indication that anyone else has a clue Oh, please! Yes, you and Rifter repeatedly claimed to be software and database specialists. Now, I have seen a lot of useful add-ons (plugins, skins, external tools) developed by people around here, who therefore could make such a claim with some credibility, but yours is just ridiculous.
Sorry, for not ignoring you.
That's a lie. I never claimed to be a specialist. I said I've had a fair amount of experience at, and been paid for, designing and implementing database programs. Skip has a lot more than I do.
The point being made, however, was that we understand the concepts behind designing a database. I have a data processing degree, a large part of which study covered the design, implementation, and use of databases. I made my living for 20+ years in the computer and data processing arena. I think all of that gives me more than passing credibility.
You could make use of that experience, or blow it off as you have been doing, but it won't change the facts.
Well, if even you admit Skip has more experience than you, that just shows that neither of you have any.
Come on, Skip still doesn't completely understand the use of common name Ken has designed in the db, a very simple key field designed to link actors together with the movies they are in. I'm mean look at the first couple of threads that talked about common name, and you get an idea of how 'deep' his knowledge truely goes. We understand exactly what it is that Ken is doing. That isn't even the issue, and never has been. What is the issue is that there are no sort of rules for deciding what that common name is, and in fact, Ken hasn't completed the functionality of this feature. The issue is that a bunch of eager beavers jumped into the pool before even finding out all the ramifications of using this setup. If all of YOU understand things so well, how come we are still seeing so many posts from people who are confused about this process? | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: I've reviewed this thread looking for whichever reasons were given in support of adding this disc dividers into the cast.
There really haven't been any reasons to include them.
Skip (who admits he may be supporting a view that isn't his own) says we can't be against the dividers on the basis that they're redundant because otherwise we'd have to revisit the rules for the edition field.
Rifter, who says he is against dividers above the child profile level, has said these are needed to sort out the shambles of extra data being forced upon master profiles. But he's against dividers for master profiles.
That's all I could see in the thread.
I asked Rifter if, since these dividers are being added to miniseries profiles of 3-6 episodes in length, if he adds these dividers to disc profiles of similar length in his collection. No response to that.
I would still like to know why anyone who has voted for these dividers feels they are a good thing. If we're to have them, they need to be in every episodic profile. So there needs to be a good justification presented rather than just that we dont' get it. My position isn't all that complicated. I don't know why you're confused. I don't think all the stuff should be dumpend into master profiles. None of mine are done that way. I profile each disc. I have not, except in a few cases, messed with the cast and crew stuff at the child level. I am waiting for the grandchild setup so that I can do each episode by itself. Under that scenario, I have little or no need for dividiers. In the meantime, dividers provide a tool that can be used to clarify and simplify cast listing in ways that goes beyond simply breaking the list at 'Episode #'. Many people are fighting that tooth and nail. And, as I've said before, a lot of these profiling problems and the ensuing fights are because people still persist in profiling TV set data as if it were a different animal than a movie set, when the only real, practical difference is the number of pieces of video on a disc. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 404 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: We understand exactly what it is that Ken is doing. That isn't even the issue, and never has been. What is the issue is that there are no sort of rules for deciding what that common name is, and in fact, Ken hasn't completed the functionality of this feature. The issue is that a bunch of eager beavers jumped into the pool before even finding out all the ramifications of using this setup. If all of YOU understand things so well, how come we are still seeing so many posts from people who are confused about this process? Understand?? Yeah, I guess that's why it took the great database expert 2 locks threads and a dozen pages to tell him what was so obvious to everyone else. He thinks Ken gave us back linking, when in fact Ken only enhanced the current linking, he GAVE us a field that should have shut the "expert" up, "Credited-as". Guess even Ken underestimated Skip's great database understanding. We could have been working on the linking for the last two years instead we were breaking an existing functionality because of a know nothing loudmouth. People are just anxious to get back a very popular feature of the program, and guess what??? Skip still doesn't get it. | | | The Other DVD Forum Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: In the meantime, dividers provide a tool that can be used to clarify and simplify cast listing in ways that goes beyond simply breaking the list at 'Episode #'. Many people are fighting that tooth and nail. And, as I've said before, a lot of these profiling problems and the ensuing fights are because people still persist in profiling TV set data as if it were a different animal than a movie set, when the only real, practical difference is the number of pieces of video on a disc. I dasagree with what I think you are saying here...if I misunderstood what you were saying, I apolagize in advance. If a DVD has episodes on two sides, the best way to break that data down...if we are looking for the smallest possible chunk of data...is to profile both sides. If you create a profile for both sides, there is no need to use an 'episode divider' to indicate which side of the DVD the episodes are on. Again, it seems fairly simple to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | That creates fictional discs, Unicus, which i don't support and can't. One Disc, One Profile.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | And one cardboard box, one profile... no different at all. I'm completely with Unicus on this one, although it is previously discussed and off topic... as comical as the topic is! | | | Andy
"Credited as" Names Database |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip, I am confused by the change in your position that you referred to yesterday. What exactly changed? What sort of disc number and disc side dividers do you support and is that for all episodic profiles or just certain ones? Just asking for a clarification. It kind of got lost in the aftermath. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: That creates fictional discs, Unicus, which i don't support and can't. One Disc, One Profile.
Skip This I already know. However, 'fictional' discs...at least for me...is a non-issue. We already do this with Parent profiles and, according to the Box Set rules, are required to do this for discs with a different film on each side of a two sided disc. For me, this is just the next logical step. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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