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You just refuse to even consider anything but your own ignorance when posting about this. You truly don't get it. Your opinion doesn't matter, honestly. Either does mine. I trust the people who are responsible for creating the technologies we are arguing about. I won't assume to know more about their technology than they do. I will say this to end our discussion, although I prefer the HD route over BD I have still given Blu-ray a thumbs up in many respects. I said it is fully capable of delivering an amazing experience. You, on the other hand have done nothing but trash HD DVD for what you THINK it can and cannot do. If you simply read the facts and interpreted them with any amount of critical thinking and based your opinions on the statements delivered by the true experts you would realize that Blu-ray and HD DVD are BOTH capable of delivering nearly identical experiences. Which is what I've said all along.

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Unicus, what consumers can afford or willing to pay...how does that change my point at all?  It doesn't.

It changes your point quite a bit.  As I said, I can easily afford a $400 player.  I am not, however, willing to spend that much for a player.  The fact that you can't see the difference speaks volumes. 

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Visibility has to do with product placement AND number of models available.

No, visibility has to do with the ability to see something.  Number of models available has to do with, quite obviously, choice and availability.  One has nothing to do with the other.

To give you an example...actually two examples...when the PS3 and Wii were first launched, there were nice big displayes, prominently positioned in the stores. Both systems were highly visible in the stores.    Could I get either system?  No, but that didn't change the visibility.

I worked in retail, for quite some time, designing displays.  I can't tell you how many times I have made a product highly visible when there weren't any available.  Please stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about. 

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Why did you conveniently overlook the entire part about the $200 HD DVD player (which was the point)?  The point of why do HD DVD supporters seem to think that $200 players will change everything, if you are stating that most people are willing to buy HD players at $70.  The fact that you skipped over that point speaks volumes.

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I just wanted you to provide some pictures to back up all that talk about your Best Buy and prove me wrong about the whole "visibility" topic.  I guess I can just file your response under "must respond with some type of counter...true or not".  I think I'm done with this sub-topic.

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^^  The real question is what can people afford?  That is different for EVERYONE.  Some people say that  most can afford $200 for a player.  Some say that point is $100 for most.  That's the problem.  Generally, I would think that if you have a $1400 HDTV, you could probably afford $400 for a player during the holiday season.  Most of the HD DVD standalone owners paid around $300 to 500 (remember the prices from the first of the year when HD DVD hit the 100,000 standalone mark).

You are out of touch with the average consumer.  It isn't what they can afford, it is what they are willing to spend.  The average consumer has been paying less than $100 for a DVD player for years.  They are now being told that they can get 'near high-definition picture from standard-definition DVDs' for as little as $70.  You will be hard pressed to convince them they need to spend $400 for true high-definition players.

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Just something I noticed recently that I would like to add.  Maybe some of you have noticed this as well...

Have you checked your local Sam's Club recently?  Take a look around in the movie section and TV/player section.  If your Wal-Mart hasn't carried HD titles until recently, what HD format titles do you see?  Next time you walk through a Best Buy or Tweeter/HiFi Buys, see what players are a lot easier to see and take notice of.  If consumers do a lot of shopping in B&M (brick and mortar) stores during this holiday, Blu-ray would be the most visible of the HD formats.

My local B&M stores give equal billing to both formats.  Best Buy, in particular, is great at it.  At the moment, they are pushing...in this order...upconvert DVD players, dual format players & HD DVD players.  I guess they didn't get the 'push Blu-ray' memo. 

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My local Best Buy has more Blu-Ray space than HD-DVD, for several months now.

Of that, I have no doubt.  I am quite sure it varys from location to location.