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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Did the mods take the week off? 



The week?

Is this week any different than any other? 
Hal
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FilmAlba - I have refrained from commenting on your postings but I have decided I want you to know how I feel.

I am very tired of reading your continuously negative comments. The generalizations you make about people and places I find to be rude, hurtful, and, most importantly, unnecessary.

I am not going to go into some type of social, political or racial debate with you or anyone else. Personally I feel these forums are not the place for such discussions.

There must be some other forum you could join that would be more suited for the types of comments you make. Please find one and post these mean and inappropriate comments there.

My apologies to everyone else for subjecting you to yet another negative posting.


Well if i keep this up long it's bound to get more attention than ppl just being nice. There's a method to the madness.


I do not believe that to be true. But, since you do, I have decided that you will be the first (and hopefully last) person that I will block. I do not care to read anything else you have to say.
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FilmAlba - I have refrained from commenting on your postings but I have decided I want you to know how I feel.

I am very tired of reading your continuously negative comments. The generalizations you make about people and places I find to be rude, hurtful, and, most importantly, unnecessary.

I am not going to go into some type of social, political or racial debate with you or anyone else. Personally I feel these forums are not the place for such discussions.

There must be some other forum you could join that would be more suited for the types of comments you make. Please find one and post these mean and inappropriate comments there.

My apologies to everyone else for subjecting you to yet another negative posting.


Well if i keep this up long it's bound to get more attention than ppl just being nice. There's a method to the madness.


I do not believe that to be true. But, since you do, I have decided that you will be the first (and hopefully last) person that I will block. I do not care to read anything else you have to say.


If it makes you happy so be it. Im i suppose to get emotional 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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I would prefer that the agreement come from those that vote on the profile in question,

Maybe I am misunderstanding you here, but wouldn't that create a different standard for each profile?  How is that better than a set standard for every profile?

It would allow for exceptions that the voters deem warranted...such as the German hyphen issue. The problem with a set standard with no exceptions is that it's a blunt instrument that can create data that most users don't want.
...James

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Quoting m.cellophane:
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It would allow for exceptions that the voters deem warranted...such as the German hyphen issue. The problem with a set standard with no exceptions is that it's a blunt instrument that can create data that most users don't want.

That doesn't answer my question, as it can still allow for different standards for each profile, and I don't see how that is better than a set standard.  I have done data entry for quite a few companies and we always had a set standard as it's the only way to ensure consistent data entry.  Where those companies excelled, and Invelos fails, is in the modification of those standards.  That is something I can't fix, but I sure as heck do not want to go with a voter generated sliding scale...expecially when I know that a good portion of the voters are simply 'yes men'.

As for the German hyphen issue, that isn't covered by the rules so, it isn't really an exception and, since they have been doing it for so long, is something that could have easily been added to either of the last two rule revisions.
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I have to agree with the Martian on this one.
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As for the German hyphen issue, that isn't covered by the rules so, it isn't really an exception and, since they have been doing it for so long, is something that could have easily been added to either of the last two rule revisions.


Quoting the Rules:
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Use the title from the front cover


It seems to me that this Rule does specifically address the question, and is why the use of the hyphen IS an exception.
Hal
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Did the mods take the week off? 


Moderation? On these forums?



It's pretty sad that there's been a couple days lately that I've run out of Reds....

Have any posts been moderated...no. 
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Quoting hal9g:
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As for the German hyphen issue, that isn't covered by the rules so, it isn't really an exception and, since they have been doing it for so long, is something that could have easily been added to either of the last two rule revisions.


Quoting the Rules:
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Use the title from the front cover


It seems to me that this Rule does specifically address the question, and is why the use of the hyphen IS an exception.


Not to mention the specific one Surfeur brought up with the whole difference of colors being considered spaces when it suits people. Not saying it's wrong, as I agree in that's how it should be entered, but it is people making exceptions for the rules when it suits them. 
"The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire
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That doesn't answer my question, as it can still allow for different standards for each profile, and I don't see how that is better than a set standard.  I have done data entry for quite a few companies and we always had a set standard as it's the only way to ensure consistent data entry.  Where those companies excelled, and Invelos fails, is in the modification of those standards.  That is something I can't fix, but I sure as heck do not want to go with a voter generated sliding scale...expecially when I know that a good portion of the voters are simply 'yes men'.

As for the German hyphen issue, that isn't covered by the rules so, it isn't really an exception and, since they have been doing it for so long, is something that could have easily been added to either of the last two rule revisions.

I don't approach things from what ensures consistent data entry. We had that thread called "The Perfect Is the Enemy of the Good" where the perfect (consistent data entry) can be detrimental to what is good (what is useful). Some would argue that only consistent data is useful, but I think there's an argument to be made that consistency, when it forces us to do things that aren't useful, can be bad.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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Quoting hal9g:
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As for the German hyphen issue, that isn't covered by the rules so, it isn't really an exception and, since they have been doing it for so long, is something that could have easily been added to either of the last two rule revisions.


Quoting the Rules:
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Use the title from the front cover


It seems to me that this Rule does specifically address the question, and is why the use of the hyphen IS an exception.

The rule says to take the title from the front cover, then lists a bunch of rules on how to format it.  Subtitles are not covered.  Just my opinion.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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The rule says to take the title from the front cover, then lists a bunch of rules on how to format it.  Subtitles are not covered.  Just my opinion.


Yes, I understand where you're coming from. 

For me, the fact that there is no reference to subtitles tells me that we simply apply the overarching Rule which is to "Take the title from the front cover".

Although not specifically labeled as exceptions, the list that follows is for all intents and purposes the exceptions to taking the title from the front cover.    If it's not in the list, then just take the title from the cover.  That's the way I read that section, anyway.
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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I don't approach things from what ensures consistent data entry. We had that thread called "The Perfect Is the Enemy of the Good" where the perfect (consistent data entry) can be detrimental to what is good (what is useful). Some would argue that only consistent data is useful, but I think there's an argument to be made that consistency, when it forces us to do things that aren't useful, can be bad.

There is another maxim, "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."  I am sorry but letting users decide, on a per profile basis, which rules they can disregard, just doesn't sit well with me.  If we are going to allow that, we might as well scrap the rules completely.  Beyond that, we are not after perfection, we are after a consistent standard.  I don't agree that there is an argument to be made for being inconsistent.  We had inconsistent and I, for one, do not want to go back to it.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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There is another maxim, "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."  I am sorry but letting users decide, on a per profile basis, which rules they can disregard, just doesn't sit well with me.  If we are going to allow that, we might as well scrap the rules completely.

No, we don't need to scrap the rules in order to handle a few exceptions.

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Beyond that, we are not after perfection, we are after a consistent standard.  I don't agree that there is an argument to be made for being inconsistent.  We had inconsistent and I, for one, do not want to go back to it.

There's not much difference in this context between perfection and consistency. And the inconsistency you refer to was before we had a voting system. Nobody wants to go back to that.
...James

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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I am sorry but letting users decide, on a per profile basis, which rules they can disregard, just doesn't sit well with me. 


So why did you decide to disregard the rule about boxset/two movies on one side disc ? Your wish to add data rather than nothing is not sufficient to justify any violation of rules.

In fact, anybody here who says that rules must be followed strictly has chosen at a time or another to violate them. Why not take that reality in the rules themselves ?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Personally, I have little faith in the voting system.

It is good for catching obvious errors in localities with large user bases.

I think the "best" solution would be to have Invelos actually take an interest in the Rules (we would still have guidelines if it had been left up to them) and actually make modifications/updates to the Rules as issues are identified here in the forums.  If an exception is needed for something, it should be incorporated into the Rules so that everybody knows what they're supposed to do and how they are supposed to vote.

Odds of this happening?

About the same as me winning the lottery! 
Hal
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