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I'm sorry to say that, but your and pplchamp's contributions were utterly useless. And you both knew that, but did it anyway. Reminds me of skipnet50, who once added quote chars to some titles because they were "on screen" or included possessives in the title that didn't belong there. His argument then was the same as yours is now - but if I'm not mistaken, you argued vehemently against him. Compared to what you and pplchamp are doing, his contributions were far less destructive.

Please let me explain the difference between what Skip did and what i was trying to do.

Skip added quotes and possessives because he thought they were actually part of the title and belonged there.  He was wrong.

What I did was for one reason only.  To rasie this issue for discussion so that Ken and Gerri could see what this badly worded Rule could do to the database and hopefully present them with some ideas as to how it could be remedied.  I believe I have accomplished both of those goals.

Was there a cost?  Yes. 

I did not start this thread until AFTER my contribution had been rejected, so I knew that I had not "harmed" the database.  Frankly, I was very surprised to see Erik's contribution get approved.  Even so, it is just one title.  There are many others (examples already noted) already in the database.

The only way to fix the ones that are already done and prevent this in the future is to get a Rules change.

You may disagree with the process, that's your right.  But the intention is to fix the problem so that titles can in fact be searched for and found once a solution is implemented.  That was not going to happen by just ignoring the problem!

Discussions on foreign names just resulted in a ruling from Gerri (again, you may not like the ruling, but it got action).  I'm hoping this thread might generate a response from Invelos as well.

So what Skip did is try to contribute what he truly believed to be the correct title and what you did was contribute a title, while maybe correct by the strictest interpretation of the rules, you believed was wrong just to start a discussion on it. Wouldn't a simple thread have worked. Discussion of foreign names got a response, but I don't recall that discussion being started by someone deliberately  entering wrong (or nonsensical) names in the database.

Hasn't anyone ever heard of a "Grandfather Clause" all these ridiculous title changes could just not be submitted as they were correct under the old rule. Nothing says you have to go back and make nonsensical titles because the rule was changed. Ok, if it gets updated for something else than yeah, it should meet the new rules. But when the person making the change and pretty much everyone else (did anyone leave the title as Star Wars: I: The Phantom Menace or X III: The Last Stand in their local database) agrees that it should be left as is why change it? why not Grandfather it in. What good of a starting point is it if everyone goes and changes it after they download it?

Is there a contest for who can put the most ridiculous data in the database that still follows the rules? Maybe I'll enter, what's the prize?

-Agrare

And ofr your information Mathais, it is not me that was wrong, nut YOU.
        You really are pompous.

Skip

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If you type in what is on the case or use the UPC code you will have no problems finding the dvd.

If I want to add a film to my wish list, I usually don't know neither what's written on the cover nor the UPC.

The idea of Profiler is to cater to those who already have the dvd and to make it as easy as possible for them to enter dvd's and find dvd's...for those that don't have the dvd or have preordered a dvd then I would say those are not as important...that isn't what the program is about. If you wanna research upcoming dvd's....you really should be using websites of the distributors not DVD Profiler...you will get much more useful info directly from the source.

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I'm sorry to say that, but your and pplchamp's contributions were utterly useless. And you both knew that, but did it anyway. Reminds me of skipnet50, who once added quote chars to some titles because they were "on screen" or included possessives in the title that didn't belong there. His argument then was the same as yours is now - but if I'm not mistaken, you argued vehemently against him. Compared to what you and pplchamp are doing, his contributions were far less destructive.

Please let me explain the difference between what Skip did and what i was trying to do.

Skip added quotes and possessives because he thought they were actually part of the title and belonged there.  He was wrong.

What I did was for one reason only.  To rasie this issue for discussion so that Ken and Gerri could see what this badly worded Rule could do to the database and hopefully present them with some ideas as to how it could be remedied.  I believe I have accomplished both of those goals.

Was there a cost?  Yes. 

I did not start this thread until AFTER my contribution had been rejected, so I knew that I had not "harmed" the database.  Frankly, I was very surprised to see Erik's contribution get approved.  Even so, it is just one title.  There are many others (examples already noted) already in the database.

The only way to fix the ones that are already done and prevent this in the future is to get a Rules change.

You may disagree with the process, that's your right.  But the intention is to fix the problem so that titles can in fact be searched for and found once a solution is implemented.  That was not going to happen by just ignoring the problem!

Discussions on foreign names just resulted in a ruling from Gerri (again, you may not like the ruling, but it got action).  I'm hoping this thread might generate a response from Invelos as well.

You're right about the difference between what you did and what Skip did.  And Goodguy is right to call you out on it.  Skip, at least, made his corrections in the belief that his data was correct.  You made the contribution of data YOU believed to be incorrect to point out a problem with the system.

Thanks a whole hell of a lot, Hal!

And you 'did not start this thread until AFTER my contribution had been rejected, so I knew that I had not "harmed" the database. '  Would you have withdrawn your contribution and replaced it with GOOD data if for some reason the scanners had missed that it was junk and accepted it?

Again, Thanks a whole hell of a lot, Hal!

And you "offered an explanation of why I did what I did.  An explanation that I had no obligation to offer up, BTW."

Thanks again, Hal.  Big deal you offered an explanation.  You could just as easily have posted to the forum without wasting the reviewers time in dealing with your "incorrect" contribution.

No wonder Skip thinks people are deliberately trying to sabotage the database.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it is very wrong to make a deliberate mistake (which could easily be overlooked by overworked screeners) just to prove a point.  And it makes me wonder how much I should trust your future contributions.  I always thought you were one of the reliable cotributor, Hal.  I may have often disagreed with your interprettion of the Rules, I never suspected you would send up contributions YOU knew were wrong, though.

It's not wrong in the sense that it followed the rules but I personally view it as a hole in the system that is allowing what I perceive as bad data get in.

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Uhm....the contribution was not wrong...it followed the rules. Calm down.

It has been wrong. The contributed title is not shown like this on the cover. Nowhere do the rules tell you to simulate symbols and logos by ASCII art.

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Thanks a whole hell of a lot, Hal!

You are welcome!

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And you 'did not start this thread until AFTER my contribution had been rejected, so I knew that I had not "harmed" the database. '  Would you have withdrawn your contribution and replaced it with GOOD data if for some reason the scanners had missed that it was junk and accepted it?

Again, Thanks a whole hell of a lot, Hal!

Again, you're welcome.

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And you "offered an explanation of why I did what I did.  An explanation that I had no obligation to offer up, BTW."

Thanks again, Hal.  Big deal you offered an explanation.  You could just as easily have posted to the forum without wasting the reviewers time in dealing with your "incorrect" contribution.

Except it was not an "incorrect" contribution, was it?  It was exactly according to the Rules!

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No wonder Skip thinks people are deliberately trying to sabotage the database.

Give me a break, Chicken Little....the sky is not falling! 

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Maybe it's just me, but I think it is very wrong to make a deliberate mistake (which could easily be overlooked by overworked screeners) just to prove a point.  And it makes me wonder how much I should trust your future contributions.  I always thought you were one of the reliable cotributor, Hal.  I may have often disagreed with your interprettion of the Rules, I never suspected you would send up contributions YOU knew were wrong, though.

Again, it was not a deliberate mistake and the contribution was not wrong.  It was a perfectly correct contribution according to the current Rules, whether you like it or not!

Your personal trust in my contributions is of no concern to me.  I am only interested in making the Rules clear enough to make sure we get the data we want into the profile and prevent data that we don't want from getting into the profile.

You might want to take a look at the contributions of the other titles listed in this thread to find out who else you should not trust! (Skipnet50, 8BallMax, etc).

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I have just ordered a series called "The Street" in R2 land.. I have no idea what this UPC will be - can you tell me after 5 secs of looking?

I don't see the problem. You will know the UPC once you get the dvd. And if you can't enter it until you get it well so what? You just wait...no big deal. And if you ordered it then you know what title appears on the front cover...so enter it using the title.

You seem to have missed off a bit from my post. So in order to help you, I'll post the missing bit again..

"The problem isn't that after I have ordered (and before it arrives) that I may have the wrong UPC. As you have said that doesn't matter since as soon as I get the dvd I check and if necessary update the UPC.

The problem is before I buy the dvd and am checking the range of possible dvds to buy. If I can only find a profile is by entering the UPC then I will only find the single profile - I can't compare to check what different features are available."

As I have said - I need to find it by title so I can compare the different versions.

And the query was about 5 secs was because Hal had stated "Finding a UPC online takes about 5 seconds."