@addicted, You did notice that the US Locality didn't show up, right? That's because the Original Title is not filled in, and this lead to my confusion. All is clear now, but that profile needs to be fixed.

I agree with Mark of course, but now that I understand better how Original Title works in Online Search, then we just:

(1) Put whatever you want in the Title field, depending on your interpretation of the Rules
(2) Put the actual title in the Original Title field
(3) Move on, everybody happy

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I don't disagree with you on this Mark. I just find it doesn't make sense to say the rules must be blindly followed in one case and the rules must not be followed in another one...

I just repeat what the usual suspects wrote all the time when something like this came up...

And therein lies the problem.  People just keep repeating the same wrong message.

Data is what we're after.  The rules are a tool to make sure that the data is as accurate as possible.  If the rules ask us to enter bad data, the rules should be modified.

The problem here is it seems too many have this backwards.  They think we should be modifying the data to make sure the rules are followed.

Having accurate data is valuable.  Having a bunch of people following rules, regardless of the consequences, is of no value to the database, Invelos, us or any of the other customers out there.  People need to stop repeating the party line.  Just because one very vocal member has spent the past 10 years telling everyone "Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules, Follow the Rules" does NOT make it right.

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I agree with Mark of course, but now that I understand better how Original Title works in Online Search, then we just:

(1) Put whatever you want in the Title field, depending on your interpretation of the Rules
(2) Put the actual title in the Original Title field
(3) Move on, everybody happy

And I disagree with you! 

Seriously, I will never advocate anything other than "Nude Nuns with Big Guns".  Because it's the right thing to do in this case.  There's no question, no ambiguity, no confusion.  Even the people who disagree with me seem to disagree because of a silly set of rules, not because they actually agree with any other title being correct.

I can understand why some would argue "T4xi" is correct.  But I can't see any other side here.  There is the correct title and then everything else (in my own personal opinion of course).

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Because the program profiles the medium not the movie we will always find some titles or problems outside the rules or even were the rules create something that could be even wrong.

I disagree.  It doesn't matter what we're profiling.  It only matters that we do it "correctly".  I honestly don't even care if it comes up in a search or not.  Putting in the wrong title is just wrong.  Putting in bad data adds no value to our database or program.  The only value the bad data in this case brings is that it's satisfied the rules (according to some).  That's it.  There is no other reason for that profile to be called "Nude Nun with Big Guns" or "Nude Nuns with Big Gun".  And I don't care if Ken adds 80 different fields for the title and makes sure the correct profile pops up.  It's still wrong and doesn't belong in the database because it adds absolutely NO VALUE.

Here's a good question.  Besides following the rules, can anyone give me another reason to have anything other than the right title in the database?  How does having a misspelling in the database help us?  If you have an answer, I'd love to hear it!

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Because the program profiles the medium not the movie we will always find some titles or problems outside the rules or even were the rules create something that could be even wrong.

I disagree.  It doesn't matter what we're profiling.  It only matters that we do it "correctly".  I honestly don't even care if it comes up in a search or not.  Putting in the wrong title is just wrong.  Putting in bad data adds no value to our database or program.  The only value the bad data in this case brings is that it's satisfied the rules (according to some).  That's it.  There is no other reason for that profile to be called "Nude Nun with Big Guns" or "Nude Nuns with Big Gun".  And I don't care if Ken adds 80 different fields for the title and makes sure the correct profile pops up.  It's still wrong and doesn't belong in the database because it adds absolutely NO VALUE.

Here's a good question.  Besides following the rules, can anyone give me another reason to have anything other than the right title in the database?  How does having a misspelling in the database help us?  If you have an answer, I'd love to hear it!

How is something that the manufacturer put on the cover wrong? Just because we don't like that it doesn't match the title of the movie?

You have to make a choice. Either you enter the data that is provided to us, that's what Invelos wants us to do right now, which is data "almost" everybody can take off the cover or disc or you enter the data that we like to be in there. Invelos made the choice to use the data that is verifiable on the cover/disc to avoid arguing and ping-ponging of data to match the users wishers or interpretations. Sometimes it doesn't work as good as intended but it's still a lot better than users putting in what they think is correct. We all know this leads to chaos and most likely more arguing and problems like data pin-ponging.

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It doesn't have to be either our current system or anarchy.

That's true but once you open the door to personal interpretations you open a can of worm. I would love a system that is bullet proof and correct but I don't think that's possible. It would be nice to have though...........

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It doesn't have to be either our current system or anarchy.

That's true but once you open the door to personal interpretations you open a can of worm. I would love a system that is bullet proof and correct but I don't think that's possible. It would be nice to have though...........

Fair enough, but I wasn't talking about personal interpretations.  Here's what I honestly think are the best solutions in order:

1. Ken simply says this is stupid and makes a ruling.
2. The rule is modified to allow this title through.
3. Some other idea that allows the right title through.

I'm not suggesting we toss out our current system.  But I will say if the current system requires us to enter bad data, and there's no way around that, then I think we should be brainstorming a new system rather than accepting defeat.

It doesn't matter what the system is.  If it forces you to enter bad data, then it's wrong and should be changed.  We should never, ever reach a point where we're knowingly allowing bad data into the database.  Because it doesn't really matter if rules were followed correctly or not.  Bad data is bad data and thus useless.

Will it be a perfect system?  Of course not.  There's no magic bullet here.  But again, data is the key.  Or, if you're an English nut, I suppose Datum are the key!  The rules are to help us get the best data possible.  They only exist because we want better data.  The data doesn't exist to justify the rules.  That's backwards thinking that leads to collecting useless information.