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| Registered: June 5, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
BTW; does anyone know what DTS Express is? DTS Express is the format DTS use for Secondary Audio, so commentaries and interactive content. Check this link out | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
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| Registered: May 9, 2008 |  Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
No surround detected. Maybe it's not encoded as such or it's not possible to detect with this tool.
I believe this is the case. When I get home I'll pull a few discs but I am 99% sure I have at least 2 BDs that trip matrix surround off a 2.0 DTS stream. It confused the hell out of my receiver and I had to decode on the stream on the BD player and feed the amp PCM. I'm pretty sure Clash Of The Titans BD was one of them. Tom |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
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Codec Language Bitrate Description
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Dolby TrueHD Audio English 0 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 0 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 0 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 0 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio German 0 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 0 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 0 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Portuguese 0 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 0 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 0 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz I scanned a disc with this tool and as you can see from the above list it says there are 10 audio tracks but when i put the disc in my Ps3 i can only access 9 of them, the track missing is the Japanese one, any ideas why? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
I scanned a disc with this tool and as you can see from the above list it says there are 10 audio tracks but when i put the disc in my Ps3 i can only access 9 of them, the track missing is the Japanese one, any ideas why? That often happens. Is it a Warner Blu-ray release by any chance? You can usually only access the Japanese track when the disc is played with the Japanese menu on a player...or something similar to that. It's sort of an easter egg. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
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I scanned a disc with this tool and as you can see from the above list it says there are 10 audio tracks but when i put the disc in my Ps3 i can only access 9 of them, the track missing is the Japanese one, any ideas why?
That often happens. Is it a Warner Blu-ray release by any chance? You can usually only access the Japanese track when the disc is played with the Japanese menu on a player...or something similar to that. It's sort of an easter egg. It is a WB disc (Dirty Harry Collection), so second question should the Japanese track be added to the Audio track list? |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello Ninehours, I think we both voted on the same submission. The rules currently state that if a track is not accessible without changing the language settings on your player, it should be entered as an Easter Egg only. Yesterday I voted against the removal of the audio track since Japanese is on the back cover and I could access the track with my player. So I assumed it was not a 'hidden' track. Since there are now players on the market that can easily access such tracks, it has become more and more difficult for me to both contribute audio tracks as well as vote on such contributions, since I can only vote on what I see in my player(s) I've asked Ken for clarification on this matter in this thread but he hasn't replied yet. I guess we should all just vote going by what we see on our respective players and let the screeners sort it out, no?   | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | BDInfo will show hidden tracks with a preceding asterisk. But one should always double check with some other tool like PowerDVD to see if it's accessible from the disc menu because sometimes BDInfo will mark tracks as hidden when they are in fact not. See this post. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
... to see if it's accessible from the disc menu... or with the audio button. I think according to the rules, both methods of selection are valid. I have some discs like that where certain tracks aren't in the menus but available by pressing the audio button. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
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... to see if it's accessible from the disc menu...
or with the audio button. I think according to the rules, both methods of selection are valid. I have some discs like that where certain tracks aren't in the menus but available by pressing the audio button. That's why i voted yes because i cannot access the track with the audio button but obviously you and another user can, makes it difficult to know how to vote as it seems to be player specific, like you say we'll just have to let the Screeners decide on this one. |
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| Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
I scanned a disc with this tool and as you can see from the above list it says there are 10 audio tracks but when i put the disc in my Ps3 i can only access 9 of them, the track missing is the Japanese one, any ideas why? I came across the same thing a while ago with The Matrix Trilogy. At the time, there wasn't guidance, so I submitted it with suitable Contribution Notes to explain where it was and how you accessed it. With the new rules though, I believe it shouldn't be entered, as it requires a fairly major change to your player (changing your player's locality [not Region, as far as DVD/Blu-ray regions are concerned]). If the disk were used in a release in the Japanese locality, then that could add the Japanese language track. This gets very difficult if a Japanese user buys the UK release, and then rightly claims to be able to see the Japanese Audio Track, when we UK users can't  This may be what we are seeing here: a Belgium user (Taro) seeing the audio track, while a UK user (yourself) can't. Got to hate locality-based playlists  | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have been using BDInfo for a while now, but have found that Surround is never detected. I'm using the latest version of the program. I'm using Windows 7 on a MSI touch-screen. Another user and I are getting different results on the same BD (Twilight). He has suggested that there may be a problem with my system (whereas, I just think BDInfo is rubbish  ) Can someone tell me exactly what the settings on BDInfo should be; or make suggestions on how my system could be affecting the results? All help gratefully received. |
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| Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Woah, you did some digging to bring this thread back  From what I remember of my digging in to BDInfo's source code (years ago!), it would be tricky for it to get different results on different machines, unless something else was "different". My initial questions would be 1) Do you have identical disks? The disks could have been remastered, or something. I supposed the Disk ID would be a good first check. 2) Do you have identical versions of ANYDVD HD? Or are you using different methods of decrypting the disks? Another check would be to de-mux the M2TS stream in to individual audio files, and then analyse those to check for the "Surround" flag. | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Can someone tell me exactly what the settings on BDInfo should be; or make suggestions on how my system could be affecting the results? The default settings should work fine. Mine shows all items checked under settings, except for "auto-save report" and the "use image prefix" settings. I honestly can't think of what could be causing your problem though, except perhaps it's somehow a codec difference, or you just have different discs.  If an audio track is flagged for Surround, it should generally decode that way with BDInfo... Lewpy makes some good suggestions above though! | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote:
2) Do you have identical versions of ANYDVD HD? I don't have this at all. Is it necessary? I have an HD monitor etc and my system is fully setup for blu-ray playback. |
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| Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I don't have this at all. Is it necessary? Yes, very necessary to look inside the streams, as they are encrypted on the disk. http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/tools/bdinfo, and under the section Known Issues it says Quote:
BDInfo will *NOT* function correctly with copy-protected discs. You will also need to have SlySoft AnyDVD HD (or equivalent) running in the background in order to gather info from commercial Blu-ray movie discs Without it, you will get top-level information (I think), but you won't get accurate stream information: this will probably explain why you never see the "Surround" information, as BDInfo has to read the header from the AC3 stream to find if the flag is set or not. | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for the info. I'll change my vote and look into AnyDVD Ok, I've looked....and can't afford that tool. I guess those of us who can't afford the program will simply have to trust the box information?! If anyone discovers an easier (for easier read 'free') way of checking this information please let me know.  Also - apologies to anyone on whose contribution I voted NO based on my ignorance on how BDInfo should be used.  | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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